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John MacArthur Calls On Pastors To Preach Biblical Sexuality In Defiance Of New Canadian Law That Would ‘Criminalize Evangelism’

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Calling for a day of prayer. It appears it would be a crime for a pastor to council others. What next?
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The bill in question, known as C-4, unanimously passed both the House of Commons and the Senate before receiving Royal Assent on December 8, meaning it will officially become Canadian law on Jan 8. On the surface, it’s meant to outlaw “conversion therapies”— that is, psychological treatments intended to re-train same-sex attracted people to prefer the opposite sex and individuals who believe they’re transgender to embrace their biological sex. When approached in a coercive or abusive manner, nearly all mainstream Christian denominations also condemn such therapy.

John MacArthur Calls On Pastors To Preach Biblical Sexuality In Defiance Of New Canadian Law That Would ‘Criminalize Evangelism’

Canadian pastors are warning that a new “conversion therapy” bill, just passed by parliament, will likely ban them from teaching that homosexuality and transgenderism are sins according to the Bible.The bill in question, known as C-4, unanimously passed both the House of Commons and the Senate...
www.dailywire.com
 
What next? ONE WOULD GOVERNMENT and THE MARK OF THE BEAST. Of course my hope is that the rapture will happen first.
 

So let’s make this clear......your tantrum is because the Canadian government is banning conversion “therapy”?
 
Tigerace117 said:
So let’s make this clear......your tantrum is because the Canadian government is banning conversion “therapy”?
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So, what then is wrong with a government banning abortion? Don't certain groups say such things are between the doctor/therapist and their patients and should NOT be a govenmental matter! Why is even the conclusion that homosexuality might be an illness be banned by politicians who know nothing about such matters? Isn't the government in this case overstepping its boundries? And if a GOVERNMENT says that there is NOTHING wrong with Sodomy, what will happen with saying that's not what the Bible says publically?
 

The government has every right to step in when people, especially minors, are being abused, no matter how much you whine about how you fantasize God would approve of such abuse. And no, conversion “therapy” doesn’t qualify as any such thing; brainwashing and torture is a much closer fitting term.

Because the idea that “homosexuality is an illness” is A) laughably untrue and B) throughly bigoted, and nobody is obligated to tolerate it. So no, the government certainly isn’t “overstepping its bounds’.

Unfortunately for you what the Bible says is NOT the law of the land, and is NOT an excuse for abuse.
If you want to live in a theocracy go move to Saudi Arabia.
 
Are you serious???

Are you suggesting conversion therapy is equal to “choice”???
 
Anyone who tortures someone under the guise of conversion therapy needs to spend a very very very long time in jail
 
Such a great move and kudos to our Conservative party members who not only voted unanimously for the bill, even the most conservative, but to the Conservative member who proposed fast tracking it! I am so proud of how we came together on this Bill so proud of how are politicians are able to govern together for the people.

House passes bill banning conversion therapy after Tory MP fast-tracks vote - National | Globalnews.ca

Bill C-4 was fast-tracked through the legislative stages in the House of Commons with the unanimous consent of all MPs after Conservative Rob Moore introduced a motion to do so.
globalnews.ca
 
Quag said:
Anyone who tortures someone under the guise of conversion therapy needs to spend a very very very long time in jail
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I'm against torture. I'm not agaist therapy. And I'm certainly not against expressing to anyone that choices are not all equal --- just as political parties are not all the same.
 
Why do you care what goes on in Canada?
 
LittleNipper said:
I'm against torture. I'm not agaist therapy. And I'm certainly not against expressing to anyone that choices are not all equal --- just as political parties are not all the same.
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Conversion therapy is torture and it doesn't work on top of that
 
Conversion therapy has done a lot more harm than good. Not to mention there is no scientific basis that it actually works. I'm glad it's being banned. No one should be brainwashed from being who they are.
 
LittleNipper said:
I'm against torture. I'm not agaist therapy. And I'm certainly not against expressing to anyone that choices are not all equal --- just as political parties are not all the same.
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Except conversion therapy is as accurate of a term as The Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
 
Maccabee said:
Conversion therapy has done a lot more harm than good. Not to mention there is no scientific basis that it actually works. I'm glad it's being banned. No one should be brainwashed from being who they are.
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Science is being overplayed
 
Quag said:
Conversion therapy is torture and it doesn't work on top of that
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Just because something is uncomfortable, doesn't make it torture. If that were true, dentistry would be banned also.
Dragonfly said:
Prayer is completely useless. It’s nothing more than religious mental masturbation.
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Prayer | Troy First Baptist Church

What do Christians believe about this near universal activity? And how can you take steps to foster a meaningful habit of prayer in your life?
real-life.troyfirstbaptist.net
 
There's established science and benefits to dentistry and for the most part, does leave you mentally scarred. Do you even know what goes on in a conversion therapy session?
 
Dentistry serves a purpose Conversion therapy doesn't it is just causing harm for the sake of causing harm AKA torture
 
Tigerace117 said:
So let’s make this clear......your tantrum is because the Canadian government is banning conversion “therapy”?
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From the article:

On the surface [note the bias in that phrasing], it’s meant to outlaw “conversion therapies”— that is, psychological treatments intended to re-train same-sex attracted people to prefer the opposite sex and individuals who believe [more bias] they’re transgender to embrace their biological sex.

But critics say [meaning it's what critics think, not what is] C-4’s language is so broad it also effectively bans preaching and teaching based on biblical sexual ethics. For instance, it could [speculation] prevent counseling that references the many Old and New Testament passages that demonstrate God reserves sex for one man and one woman within the bond of marriage. It could [more speculation] also criminalize any instruction that confirms human beings are created as indelibly male or female from birth (the Bible has no category for transgender other than to condemn men dressing like women and vice versa in verses like Deuteronomy 22:5).

A lot of fearmongering from drama llamas.
 
"Transgender Therapies," that are built on hate of and fear of sexual deviation are not helpful; however, counselling that involves witnessing CHRIST, and GOD's WORD, and what one could do to redirect one's perpensity/inclination and get helpful support, will likely be attacked and demonized as well. The general Evangelical Christian thought is that any consideration that homosexuality and excepting one's GOD given gender will become illegal and discredited socially.
 

There is literally zero science supporting anything you just said. Only bigotry.
 
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