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Mornin CJ :2wave: .....it would appear Obama is going thru the formality. I think sending the Nimitz and it's Entire Strike Group to the Red Sea. May put things into perspective.
OBAMA'S DILEMMA
This is squarely now in the hands of Congress," Kerry told CNN, saying he had confidence lawmakers "will do what is right because they understand the stakes."
In a round of television appearances, Kerry declined to say whether Obama would proceed with military action if Congress rejects his request, as Britain's parliament did last week.
He echoed Obama's comments in the White House Rose Garden on Saturday, insisting the president had the right to act on his own if he chooses that course.
Obama is taking a gamble by putting the brakes on the military assault he considers essential to maintain U.S. credibility after he had said the use of chemical weapons would constitute a "red line" for the United States.
U.S. military officials are using the delay to reassess which ships will be used for a strike, and which sites in Syria to target. One change was a decision to send the USS Nimitz aircraft carrier and its entire strike group toward the Red Sea to help support the Syria strike, if needed.
Underscoring a sense of wariness even from Obama's traditional allies, many Democrats joined Republicans in saying the use-of-force resolution offered by the White House is too broad and that new language will be written for consideration.
Several said they wanted it to include strict time limits, guarantee that no U.S. troops would be sent into Syria, and tie authorization for any further military action to additional chemical weapons use by Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.
"The president said this is going to be limited. Yet that's an open-ended authorization to just about do anything he wants," said Democratic Senator Tom Harkin.
"The resolution as it is right now is so open-ended that it gives a blanket authority with no time limits. You can't accept it just on its face," said Republican Representative Dennis Ross. "Now we have to look at what is the exit strategy if we do a strike, and I don't know if we're going to do that.".....snip~
Obama and aides confront skeptical Congress on Syria strike
I think some of Obamas Democrats and what they are saying with Republicans about not giving Obama an Open Commitment would be the Smart way to go. Also I would echo those that have stated.....why should we go when there really is no International Support.
Myself.....I say since the French are all skippy and fresh to jump. Then let them Jump alone. Let them pay for things on their own. Just like the rest of the Big Boys, when they feelin' their Wheaties.
"At this point, what difference does it make". Well the difference is that the damage hasn't yet been done, there's still time to avoid folly!
Good afternoon MMC,
I think Obama's only dilema is trying to figure out how he can convince the world he has a backbone as he slithers about. It's remarkable he can stand up long enough to play a round of golf.
He called for back up today CJ.
By any technicality.
The declaration might have simply been Obama hoping that the threat of retaliation would be enough to prevent Syria from using CW, allowing him to act tough but send a signal that we wouldn't respond unless you did something really stupid.
60 years of extra-constitutional precedent doesn't make it right. And the 1973 War Powers Act is designed to allow a president to act immediately if the US is under attack or threatened with imminent attack. And then he has 60 days to bring it before congress. Using it to attack a country that is not threatening us is an abuse, and for a president to attack a country when such strong opposition exists amongst the American people, and without congressional approval and in defiance of the UN is belligerent, at least.
It would be very interesting to see Republicans stand up and say that they no longer want to help eliminate WMDs.
Are rebels noted for acting responsibility? They are the ones who used chemical weapons, according to the UN investigation, not the government! Having accomplished what they intended to do, they'll slither back into their hidey-holes now, while others die. Cowards!
Good afternoon, MMC! :2wave:
They might consider the use of a technicality in a situation where many non-combatant women and children are likely to die? What "technicality" might cover that horror? Don't you have to have a logical reason to invade or bomb another sovereign country these days, other than that your leader misspoke, or was misunderstood, or was baited into acting irresponsibly? If Syria was that important to BHO, why didn't he act two years ago, when thousands upon thousands were dying in Syria? That ought to go over well! :thumbdown:
The UN investigation was intended only to confirm if chemical weapons were used, not who used them. Where did you get your information?
Mornin CJ :2wave: .....it would appear Obama is going thru the formality. I think sending the Nimitz and it's Entire Strike Group to the Red Sea. May put things into perspective.
OBAMA'S DILEMMA
This is squarely now in the hands of Congress," Kerry told CNN, saying he had confidence lawmakers "will do what is right because they understand the stakes."
In a round of television appearances, Kerry declined to say whether Obama would proceed with military action if Congress rejects his request, as Britain's parliament did last week.
He echoed Obama's comments in the White House Rose Garden on Saturday, insisting the president had the right to act on his own if he chooses that course.
Obama is taking a gamble by putting the brakes on the military assault he considers essential to maintain U.S. credibility after he had said the use of chemical weapons would constitute a "red line" for the United States.
U.S. military officials are using the delay to reassess which ships will be used for a strike, and which sites in Syria to target. One change was a decision to send the USS Nimitz aircraft carrier and its entire strike group toward the Red Sea to help support the Syria strike, if needed.
Underscoring a sense of wariness even from Obama's traditional allies, many Democrats joined Republicans in saying the use-of-force resolution offered by the White House is too broad and that new language will be written for consideration.
Several said they wanted it to include strict time limits, guarantee that no U.S. troops would be sent into Syria, and tie authorization for any further military action to additional chemical weapons use by Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.
"The president said this is going to be limited. Yet that's an open-ended authorization to just about do anything he wants," said Democratic Senator Tom Harkin.
"The resolution as it is right now is so open-ended that it gives a blanket authority with no time limits. You can't accept it just on its face," said Republican Representative Dennis Ross. "Now we have to look at what is the exit strategy if we do a strike, and I don't know if we're going to do that.".....snip~
Obama and aides confront skeptical Congress on Syria strike
I think some of Obamas Democrats and what they are saying with Republicans about not giving Obama an Open Commitment would be the Smart way to go. Also I would echo those that have stated.....why should we go when there really is no International Support.
Myself.....I say since the French are all skippy and fresh to jump. Then let them Jump alone. Let them pay for things on their own. Just like the rest of the Big Boys, when they feelin' their Wheaties.
Evening Polgara.....well the French said they don't need a technicality. They just need to go and punish Assad and according to them, everything is Sauve-wa-faire. Kinda like.....we don't need no stickin badges. :lol:
Are the French sending their aircraft carrier?
Are the French sending their aircraft carrier?
No but they did send their Destroyer the Paul Chevalier from Toulon to Syria. Plus they moved their largest transport ship to Toulon.
French warship leaves Toulon for Syria
A military ship left the port of Toulon on the morning of 29th August, dispatched in the direction of Syria as Western countries appear to prepare for action against Bachar Al Assad’s regime. The ship will reportedly support allies aircrafts in case they decide to launch air strikes in coming weeks.
The Chevalier Paul is one of the most modern warships in the French Navy. The ship is set to join an international fleet already settled off the coast of Syria, which includes four American missile launcher frigates as well as several nuclear submarines sent out both by the American and British forces.....snip~
French warship leaves Toulon for Syria - The Riviera Times Online
I got a question!
What would be the point of bombing Syria now? With all of this discussion they would have certainly moved all of their ammo, intelligence, soldiers, etc.
Exactly what would we be achieving?
And don't get me wrong. I really don't have a problem with bombing them but now that we've "showed our hand" what is to be gained?
I got a question!
What would be the point of bombing Syria now? With all of this discussion they would have certainly moved all of their ammo, intelligence, soldiers, etc.
Exactly what would we be achieving?
And don't get me wrong. I really don't have a problem with bombing them but now that we've "showed our hand" what is to be gained?
I have no idea what targets they will choose, but if you were Assad wouldn't you be freaking out for the next week over whether Congress will line up behind Obama and give him the go-ahead to bomb whatever he wants?
Yeah - I don't get that part, AB. How come the international media aren't reporting that Assad is sh*tting little blue-gray putty balls? It's like he doesn't even care.
I don't know if this is relevant, but have you ever heard of a group called "The Twelvers"? The ex president of Iran was one of those guys. This group has this belief that if they can somehow start World War III, that it will force some sort of messiah to appear (called the Mahdi) that has secretly been hiding in the background and walking the earth for 1,200 years. So when this horrible war goes down, this Mahdi will also somehow find the earlier messiahs like Jesus and Moses; and together they will all create a new planet earth where Islam is the only religion and the whole planet gets ruled by this Mahdi and Sharia Law for all of eternity.
The reason these Twelvers are crazy is because they don't mind starting WW III and they think that anyone that dies along the way was merely "a martyr for the greater good". That Iranian lunatic Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would have been happy to let every single Iranian die as long as it triggers the appearance of this Mahdi. Maybe Assad is a fruitloop like Mahmoud?
The reason these Twelvers are crazy is because they don't mind starting WW III and they think that anyone that dies along the way was merely "a martyr for the greater good". That Iranian lunatic Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would have been happy to let every single Iranian die as long as it triggers the appearance of this Mahdi. Maybe Assad is a fruitloop like Mahmoud?
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