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Justin Trudeau has told his senior lieutenants to draw up plans to make the Energy East pipeline and the Trans Mountain expansion in British Columbia a reality.
The prime minister has been convinced by his finance minister, Bill Morneau, and other influential voices around the cabinet table that the pipelines have to be built to achieve the ambitious economic growth targets his government has set.
But the problem for the Liberals is that this conviction has to be conveyed subtly to a public that has decidedly mixed views on oilsands expansion and pipelines.
The prime minister has never been an advocate of a Canadian future without oil. He supported the Keystone XL pipeline, and explicitly stated that no country that found 170 billion barrels of oil would leave it in the ground.
John Ivison: Trudeau convinced that pipeline strategy must be top priority | National Post
I am in favor of both pipelines
Kinder Morgan & Energy East
No Govt funding to create 10's of thousands of jobs.
Pipelines Kinder Morgan –Energy East
Kinder Morgan – Yes
Energy East -Yes
Kinder Morgan –No
Energy East - No
No more pipelines
The day's coming when it'll be time to look at a pipeline to tidewater that runs north. The ice-free season is getting longer, icebreakers are used in lots of places already, and ships can go east or west, Asia or Europe, from Inuvik or Tuk.
John Ivison: Trudeau convinced that pipeline strategy must be top priority | National Post
I am in favor of both pipelines
Kinder Morgan & Energy East
No Govt funding to create 10's of thousands of jobs.
Pipelines Kinder Morgan –Energy East
Kinder Morgan – Yes
Energy East -Yes
Kinder Morgan –No
Energy East - No
No more pipelines
The day's coming when it'll be time to look at a pipeline to tidewater that runs north. The ice-free season is getting longer, icebreakers are used in lots of places already, and ships can go east or west, Asia or Europe, from Inuvik or Tuk.
I suggest that is a long way off. Trudeau will have his hands full selling east-west. The Kinder-Morgan is a deal, despite the renta-campers. It affects jobs in Burnaby so the NDP won't fight it too hard. The local ecos have been sued and have to stay away. Other than that we're too busy choosing between a low fat latte and a double double.
Once the east west connector is underway and there are jobs, jobs, jobs, Canadians will do what we always do, go to work and leave the bitching to the poverty pimps
The day's coming when it'll be time to look at a pipeline to tidewater that runs north. The ice-free season is getting longer, icebreakers are used in lots of places already, and ships can go east or west, Asia or Europe, from Inuvik or Tuk.
The emergence of the North I think will be the new cold war. Canada is way behind in establishing its sovereignty. I believe new maritime law will have to be struck. While all eyes are on the middle east, the Arctic is where the future will be decided
Trudeau is showing some wisdom I did not know he had. Quebec, especially is anti-pipeline. The NDP just fired Mulcair and have agreed to consider and debate the new "manifesto" from the extreme eco-element of the party. I have not seen it, but it is harsh, about what you would expect from a newly minted Green and not something Canada could survive.
So on the heals of this, he goes the other way citing national economics, a perfect parry to the NDP idiocy which will likely split the party, leaving Liberals as the only place to park their vote. He has planted his seed early, and differentiated himself from greed head investments in other countries, such as Keystone, and a project his writers will term "unifying east and west."
He will sell it, and he will enter the realm of safety as opposed rail, which plays in Quebec, and "clean" in that pipelines are safer than rail.
What is not being said by anyone is the Oilsands. The NDP partied in Edmonton and never mentioned it, and I am sure Trudeau's plans have it nowhere near a priority. In fact I would not be surprised if he shut it down should the oil patch begin to recover.
The emergence of the North I think will be the new cold war. Canada is way behind in establishing its sovereignty. I believe new maritime law will have to be struck. While all eyes are on the middle east, the Arctic is where the future will be decided
I'm not in Canada but I'm thinking the same thing.
He has said some really stupid things on other issues. But This kind of thing could really uplift Canada economically into a position akin to a country like Norway who is doing great economically.
I had previously thought he was a useful idiot was all. But props to Trudeau for using the counsel of his advisors.
The emergence of the North I think will be the new cold war. Canada is way behind in establishing its sovereignty. I believe new maritime law will have to be struck. While all eyes are on the middle east, the Arctic is where the future will be decided
By early last year, even the two “fallback” projects — TransCanada’s Energy East route to the St. Lawrence and Kinder Morgan’s proposed twinning of the existing Trans Mountain line to Vancouver — had become politically fragile. The federal NDP, to put this in context, in 2012 were pushing Energy East as a made-in-Canada project that would create thousands of good jobs. This same party last Sunday embraced (though it did not adopt) the Leap Manifesto, which advocates a halt to Canadian pipeline development, period.
Even as the goalposts moved ever closer together, from 2012 through 2015, the Conservative government failed to make a compelling case for pipelines. Stephen Harper himself did not make a single major speech advocating their construction or extolling their economic and environmental merits. Instead, the strategy was to belittle environmentalist critics and repeat, ad nauseam, that the NDP were scheming to impose a $21.5-billion carbon tax, which would raise the price of everything, including bubble gum and Christmas presents. It was negative politicking at its worst, devoid of any positive alternative.
One reason he won the election was he was underestimated. And yes I include myself in that crowd
I really had a hard time getting past some of the moronic things he has said such as the 'if you kill your enemies, they win' regarding terrorists.
But I will give him props where its due for this pipeline stuff.
I'm not in Canada but I'm thinking the same thing.
He has said some really stupid things on other issues. But This kind of thing could really uplift Canada economically into a position akin to a country like Norway who is doing great economically.
I had previously thought he was a useful idiot was all. But props to Trudeau for using the counsel of his advisors.
There is no longer an excuse for building new infrastructure projects that lock us into increased extraction decades into the future. The new iron law of energy development must be: if you wouldn’t want it in your backyard, then it doesn’t belong in anyone’s backyard. That applies equally to oil and gas pipelines; fracking in New Brunswick, Quebec and British Columbia; increased tanker traffic off our coasts; and to Canadian-owned mining projects the world over.
For that it is in US best interests to agree with Canada that the NW Passage is indeed internal waters.
However they're being as stubborn as Russia
And the Dippers shoot themselves in the feet, head and rear end.
When oil was around 100 the tax rev for the Feds was 600 B plus over 30 year, 300 B plus for AB. The longer the plant operate their margins increase and tax deductions decrease.
Then consider these are built for 50 years, plus.
Michael Den Tandt: The Leap Manifesto may be the best friend the oilpatch has ever had | National Post
I guess that's what I'v e been trying to say. The Leap Manifesto draws a line in the sand and Trudeau wasted no time in crossing it. The LM is such a stupid piece of work
https://leapmanifesto.org/en/the-leap-manifesto/
.....And unicorns will play in the fields.
So far out there, Trudeau can walk right in and demand we build the east-west connector right now!
Wait, I think he just did.
On another forum I am exploring the topic of whether the NDP is relevant anymore. The Liberals have replaced them on the economic left, they are split on ecology with Greens encroaching exponentially....
What purpose do they serve other than another political machine to get people elected?
But provincial government sources in Alberta and B.C. say Premier Christy Clark is looking for ways to support the pipeline ahead of next year’s election, particularly if she can win material benefits for British Columbians in the process.
“I think she would dearly love to say she got certain conditions met and she is the ‘premier of yes’ when it comes to resource development,” said one person involved in the delicate negotiations between federal and provincial governments.
Clark famously laid out five requirements that she said needed to be fulfilled before her government would give any pipeline its blessing, including a world-leading marine spill response system, benefits for First Nations and a “fair share” of economic spoils for B.C
The Conservatives thought he was a useful idiot too, along with the entire New Democratic Party who went from second place to third and way out of contention. The fired their leader this past week end and adopted the "Leap Manifesto" for discussion. The document was composed a year ago by the most rabid members of the party. among other things it calls for an immediate halt to and a permanent fossil fuel infrastructure.
The work reads like a utopian dream: "we can live in an all electrical world connected by public transit". Yeah, like anyone wants to take a bus from Vancouver to Ottawa in the winter.
This is his response and why I say it is so clever. The debate will come down to Quebec and BC, who have the most opposition. Trudeau will make it a sink or swim issue in response the the NDP's chicken little performance.
As it stand right now he is alone at the top, with no one on the right yet even ready to want to run for the leadership of the party, and now with the collapse of the NDP on the week end, Trudeau owns it all. Everyone else is "rebuilding".
That alone is an amazing feat, as both Harper and Mulcair were poised to become prime minister six months ago, now their both history
From what I understand the BC Liberals are closer to Cons, is that correct?
Premier knows monies pay for programs. And in particular with an election in May. And with the LP, the NDP in BC if they do not walk away from endorsing the LP, well they will be in trouble comes election day.
This is right down her alley and she will be bouncing the Dippers hard and fast.
John Ivison: Signs that B.C. premier is moving to ?yes? on pipeline | National Post
I guess that while Canada is small in population, it is, like the USA, large in landscape. People in smaller countries don't understand the undertaking of mass transit from border to border. sure its feasible when your entire country is the size of one province or state.
Not like the USA, about two and a half times the size, spanning 7 time zones, second in land mass to only Russia. 90% of the population lives within 150 miles of the US border spanning nearly 4,000 miles. There are two, count them two, passes trough the Rockies.
Canada is not a nation, but an on-going experiment in nation building.
I guess that while Canada is small in population, it is, like the USA, large in landscape. People in smaller countries don't understand the undertaking of mass transit from border to border. sure its feasible when your entire country is the size of one province or state.
I thought Canada had pacific, mountain, central, eastern and then what newfoundland has its own and something is in atlantic time err prince Edward island? that would be 6 wouldn't it?
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