When we look at all of this evidence, it seems that health reform leaves in place the status quo on illegal immigration, and certainly does not provide any new benefits particularly for illegal immigrants. We hope to look at this issue more in the days ahead, because some hospitals are particularly concerned about recouping their costs for treating illegal immigrants, and we're curious to know more about that problem and how it might or might not be solved by reform.
The best argument that we find that health reform would help illegal immigrants is that some might be able to purchase the public option -- if it passes, and it might not -- on the new health insurance exchange. They would purchase that at full cost. Obama's said "the reforms I’m proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally," which Wilson said was a "lie." Actually, Obama can make a pretty thorough case that reform doesn't apply to those here illegally. We don't find the public option argument enough to make the case that Obama "lied." We rate Wilson's statement False.
Asswipe stepped waaaaaayyyy the f out of line. The guano wingers who are trying lamely to justify/defend his actions can be lumped right in with Garbage Joe.
I would assume they are going to require a social security number to be able to receive federal subsidies. Much like private insurance companies require your social security number as well. Of course you could still argue illegal immigrants are benefiting from the program if they partake in identity theft but I don't think the government can be held responsible for not catching that every time.But, it has no way of preventing it. That's the part of the bill that I wanna see.
I'm sorry but does the OP have an article of some kind to go along with his statement of a "huge victory"?
I would assume they are going to require a social security number to be able to receive federal subsidies. Much like private insurance companies require your social security number as well. Of course you could still argue illegal immigrants are benefiting from the program if they partake in identity theft but I don't think the government can be held responsible for not catching that every time.
Illegal immigrants can buy into private insurance now and most likely will be able to buy into the government run insurance option. They just won't receive any government help on pricing.
Also, illegal immigrants will also most likely still receive emergency health services because no doctor is going to stop and validate someone's citizenship before saving their life.
How about the fact that the leading health care bill itself specifically states that non-citizens cannot participate in the program?
Well let me help you.I'm not sure you would understand.
Joe Wilson said what everyone else already knows: PBO is lying through his teeth when he says that Obamacare won't cover illegals. Unless he plans on giving amnesty to 20 million illegals.
Joe Wilson said what everyone else already knows: PBO is lying through his teeth when he says that Obamacare won't cover illegals. Unless he plans on giving amnesty to 20 million illegals.
Do you have ant facts to prove your scurelous accusations or are you staying with the farts that come out of the mouth of Joe Wilson ?
The momentum has shifted towards Obama.
Wilson played the role of a foil perfectly.
Yes I gave you the link to the thread in this forum I suggest you stop asking this question and go read the report and then admit that Mr. Obama did lie threw his teeth to the American People.
Yes I gave you the link to the thread in this forum I suggest you stop asking this question and go read the report and then admit that Mr. Obama did lie threw his teeth to the American People.
That was bogus, it proved nothing.
Well, it's gotta be something along those lines, or PBO is lying when he says that Obamacare won't cover illegal aliens. There's no way that the most Liberal president in history is going to openly deny medical treatment to illegal aliens. It just ain't gonna happen.
You can keep on trying to make this personal and try hard to inject me into the debate, but it will not work.
Personal jabs don't impress me, don't advance the discussion and certainly isn't original.
Really want to try that again you might want to go and read the section the Mr. Wilson was calling Mr. Obama out on or better yet go and listen or watch Mr. Wilson Press Conf. today were he actually names the adm. to the Health Bill that he called Mr. Obama out on.
The title of the thread indicates it is about Joe Wilson (whoever the hell he is) handing something to Prez Doofus.
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He's the guy everyone is talking about for being a classless fool.
I see it. He had a problem with one of the 3 bills.
I must say though calling the President a liar in front of the entire country during a speech is the wrong way to express a needed change in a health care bill still being edited.
I think you're right. An important Senate Dem (Ben Nelson) said the speech was a game changer, as well.
Oh really then all of the Democrats must have been a bunch of classless fools back on Feb, 2 2005 during Mr. W Bush State of the Union Address they boo Mr. Bush not once but on many different time's.
Care to comment on that oh that's rights it's alright for the Democrat's to do that but when a Republican speaks the truth about the section on Illegals and calls Mr. Obama on it then the media and Democrats circle the wagon.
Mr. Wilson called out Mr. Obama only when he said this,
Wilson's outburst immediately followed Obama's statement: "There are also those who claim that our reform effort will insure illegal immigrants. This, too, is false. The reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally."
House Minority Leader John Boehner said Thursday that, according to a Congressional Research Service report, illegal immigrants would indeed be covered, defending Wilson's assertion even though he called the manner in which he delivered it "inappropriate."
So let me see who was in the wrong hmm I see Mr. Obama lied to the American People and Mr. Wilson called him on since he knew what had been in the various Bills.
There are virtually always things in competing and work in progress bills that never live long enough to travel down the birth canal. Also president Obama did not send down a bill to congress so how can iscreants like Wilson actually try to claim that the POTUS was supporting those aspects of bills in process.
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