Joe Scarborough: Marching kids to the showers (1 Viewer)

[SheWolf]

Cannot access that link without paying. I googled exactly what you said and couldn't find where families seeking asylum legally, by presenting themselves at the border, were being separated from their children. Your example doesn't say that.
Based on your description, they came seeking asylum previously were released, went through the process with the civil court system, didn't meet the criteria, was deported, so they decided to cross illegally and got caught.

One story out of the supposed thousands separated, and it sounds like, from your description, they didn't present themselves legally to request asylum. Or did I miss that part?

The top part of my quote comes directly from the article. It clearly says that they go through a legal checkpoint, seeking asylum, and they are detained. The previous policy was to just turn them away and go through civil court. They were not detained before, nor were they separated before.

Bottom line is, these are people seeking asylum... They aren't drug dealers or whatever. They are families trying to escape violence and undergoing dangerous journeys to reach the boarder, and they are being detained and separated. I don't see the point

 

[SheWolf]

1. I am not "you guys."
2. This is only my second post on this topic, and you're responding to the first.
3. I've expressed no emotion at all. Want to see emotionalism? Read the various threads on this topic and see who's being emotional.

You guys = Trump supporters and Fox News Nazi comparison apologists

 

[nota bene]

You guys = Trump supporters and Fox News Nazi comparison apologists

Again, I am NOT "you guys."

 

[SheWolf]

You think my post was hyperbolic. That's fine. I think yours is naive.

By most accounts child sex trafficking and labor trafficking is a real thing and it's not a small time thing.

I'm going to try to pick sources you might actually look at for this. The ACLU, for example, cites a number between 14,500 and 17,500 persons trafficked for forced labor every year. They also note that the victims of trafficking are "almost exclusively immigrants". They mean "illegal immigrants" but you won't get that exact term out of the ACLU.

There isn't much in the way of numbers from this ICE page but it does have some examples of what goes on and how they handled things.

This Reuters article is critical of Trump policies but it also cites 32,000 cases of human trafficking reported a certain hotline. Granted, the article is blaming Trump immigration policy for creating an environment that makes it hard for a trafficked person to complain but, still, those people got here without being detected. Maybe if someone took a little more time to check the situation out that number wouldn't be 32,000.

Look, I don't expect you to buy into any of what I say here. You have your opinions and you are certainly capable of determining the value of your opinions to whatever extent you feel is necessary. I would like, however, for somebody to look at this mess and at least consider that there is some value in exercising due diligence when it comes to determining the facts and circumstances of people who show up at our border looking to just be let in or who come in without going through any legal process whatsoever.

No offense, but I really consider this virtue signaling. I really don't believe Trump or the average Trump supporter supports zero tolerance policy for the purposes of protecting children from sexual abuse. It's a massive, epic stretch of logic.

I am also not naive about human trafficking or illegal immigration. I know illegal immigrants. I have talked to victims of trafficking and people at risk. My friend from Ukraine overstayed her VISA, and she is constantly getting targeted by shady people trying to lure her places with promises of marriage and citizenship. Many foreign sex traffic workers are from Asia and parts of former USSR.

Now, I am not denying that some of these kids are at risk. They are at risk of a lot of issues, even while in custody. I don't trust the government handling this properly, or getting these kids back to their parents. If you think I am denying these kids are at risk, then you're not reading my posts the right way.

I simply think you're being an opportunist, and so are many in the Trump Admin, in trying to turn support of this situation into support for child safety.

 

[danarhea]

Really? This is what a major cable news organization allows of it's hosts?



In no way, shape or form is ANYONE marching kids off to showers where they will be hosed off with Zyklon B. I mean, this kind of exaggeration is insane and, frankly, it makes any exaggeration Trump has popped out seem minor.

Way to present a video that was cut off in order to make it appear that it meant something else.

Here's the deal - The parents of the kids are told that their kids are getting showers before being returned to them. Instead these kids are taken away and sent to "kiddie concentration camps", which are not "summer camps" in the slightest. No, they are not put to death, but the lie made to the parents, who are convinced that the kids will be returned in a few minutes is no different than what the Nazis told the Jews. No - Kids didn't die here. They were just snatched from their parents and sent to facilities as far away as Michigan. The principle behind the lie is exactly the same, but leave it to Trumpanzees to distort it and take it out of context. It's what they do. Goebbels is smiling right now in his special place in hell, knowing that many friends will eventually be joining him, and sharing his eternal punishment.

 

[SheWolf]

Again, I am NOT "you guys."

Are you a Trump supporter?

You are a Fox News nazi comparison apologist...

 

[gulfman]

The abortion clinics are the real concentration camps.Actual extermination centers.Hitler would be proud.

 

[itsforthekids]

The abortion clinics are the real concentration camps.Actual extermination centers.Hitler would be proud.

Truth. And mostly killing children of color. Go figure.

 

[nota bene]

Are you a Trump supporter?

You are a Fox News nazi comparison apologist...

Name-calling is a terrific way to encourage a reasonable discussion. :roll:

 

[Yes_Minister]

The abortion clinics are the real concentration camps.Actual extermination centers.Hitler would be proud.

Again, you seem to treat children like comic books, they are only worth something in their original wrappings.

 

[washunut]

Way to present a video that was cut off in order to make it appear that it meant something else.

Here's the deal - The parents of the kids are told that their kids are getting showers before being returned to them. Instead these kids are taken away and sent to "kiddie concentration camps", which are not "summer camps" in the slightest. No, they are not put to death, but the lie made to the parents, who are convinced that the kids will be returned in a few minutes is no different than what the Nazis told the Jews. No - Kids didn't die here. They were just snatched from their parents and sent to facilities as far away as Michigan. The principle behind the lie is exactly the same, but leave it to Trumpanzees to distort it and take it out of context. It's what they do. Goebbels is smiling right now in his special place in hell, knowing that many friends will eventually be joining him, and sharing his eternal punishment.

I knew that you were a Trump hater. Many people for various reasons fall into that bucket. He is a greatly flawed person IMO.

But the above shows a new and harder to understand side. Holocaust denier. I find those people the most despicable on earth. Perhaps because I lost so much family I never got to know because of the holocaust.

https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005142

You can read the link above if you care about the truth. Somehow I doubt you will read or comprehend it.

 

[SheWolf]

Name-calling is a terrific way to encourage a reasonable discussion. :roll:

I said you guys and you took offensive to that. If you wanted a reasonable discussion, you should have posted something reasonable back then instead of making a huge fuss out of nothing. You see, after reading that post I didn't think you wanted a meaningful discussion. I thought your style was more about judging Morning Joe for making silly Nazi comparisons and for being emotional, while you made drama in the thread about nothing and found every convenient excuse to say nobody on Fox ever made Nazi comparisons. I am sure you can understand why I took you for somebody not wanting an honest, reasonable discussion...

 

[nota bene]

I said you guys and you took offensive to that. If you wanted a reasonable discussion, you should have posted something reasonable back then instead of making a huge fuss out of nothing. You see, after reading that post I didn't think you wanted a meaningful discussion. I thought your style was more about judging Morning Joe for making silly Nazi comparisons and for being emotional, while you made drama in the thread about nothing and found every convenient excuse to say nobody on Fox ever made Nazi comparisons. I am sure you can understand why I took you for somebody not wanting an honest, reasonable discussion...

When you categorize one individual as part of a group to which she doesn’t belong, it’s lazy, dishonest, and dismissive. It demonstrates that you aren’t interested in a “meaningful discussion” at all.

And you’ve already decided that my opinion is a “huge fuss out of nothing” and “making drama” while distorting what I actually said as a “convenient excuse.” Never mind that I didn’t make the claim that “nobody on Fox ever made Nazi comparisons” and that what I said is that I’d never heard a Fox commentator/talking head make one (which I haven’t).

So you get back to me when you yourself are able to carry on an “honest, reasonable discussion.” You’ve just demonstrated again that you aren’t.

 

[anatta]

This isn't the first time Joe and Mika have engaged in over the top out of control blatant dishonest rhetoric. They do it on a daily basis trying to outdo the day before. When it comes to Trump and those in his administration their rhetoric is personal, vitriolic, and often times just down right childish. This one about marching children to the showers may be their lowest one yet. They are the poster children that plays into the Trump narrative that the media is the true opposition party with an agenda.......fake news.

I used to wake up and put on the show...Joe and Mika suffer from "Trump derangement syndrome".
It s garbage tv for the haters. Nichole Wallace and the rest have lost it as well..

 

[lurchadams]

I used to wake up and put on the show...Joe and Mika suffer from "Trump derangement syndrome".
It s garbage tv for the haters. Nichole Wallace and the rest have lost it as well..

The folks on Morning Joe are truth tellers. Telling the truth goes against everything Trump and his supporters stand for. It's no surprise Trump and his supporters are outraged at the show's very existence.

 

[lurchadams]

And you’ve already decided that my opinion is a “huge fuss out of nothing” and “making drama” while distorting what I actually said as a “convenient excuse.” Never mind that I didn’t make the claim that “nobody on Fox ever made Nazi comparisons” and that what I said is that I’d never heard a Fox commentator/talking head make one (which I haven’t).

No you didn't make the claim. You asked for examples. When people provided you with the examples you moved the goal posts and dismissed the examples as non-responsive.

You then accuse others of being dishonest and lazy.

 

[nota bene]

No you didn't make the claim. You asked for examples. When people provided you with the examples you moved the goal posts and dismissed the examples as non-responsive.

You then accuse others of being dishonest and lazy.

The examples offered were Glenn Beck, who left Fox eight years ago, and various guests. I specified "commentators/talking heads." By this I meant Chris Wallace, The "Fox and Friends" morning bunch, Neal Cavuto, the "Five," Bret Baier, Britt Hume, Sean Hannity, Martha McCallum, Laura Ingraham, etc. Have any of these people made similar comparisons?

 

[SheWolf]

When you categorize one individual as part of a group to which she doesn’t belong, it’s lazy, dishonest, and dismissive. It demonstrates that you aren’t interested in a “meaningful discussion” at all.

And you’ve already decided that my opinion is a “huge fuss out of nothing” and “making drama” while distorting what I actually said as a “convenient excuse.” Never mind that I didn’t make the claim that “nobody on Fox ever made Nazi comparisons” and that what I said is that I’d never heard a Fox commentator/talking head make one (which I haven’t).

So you get back to me when you yourself are able to carry on an “honest, reasonable discussion.” You’ve just demonstrated again that you aren’t.

I really didn't view you has attempting to have a reasonable discussion, which is why I started engaging you the way I did. I understand that you think I misrepresenting your posts and calling you dramatic, but this is exactly how I saw your behavior... misrepresentig the story in the OP and accusing them of drama. That's my honest opinion.