Joe Biden's 2020 Ukrainian nightmare: A closed probe is revived

[SLC]

Joe Biden's 2020 Ukrainian nightmare: A closed probe is revived | TheHill

Two years after leaving office, Joe Biden couldn’t resist the temptation last year to brag to an audience of foreign policy specialists about the time as vice president that he strong-armed Ukraine into firing its top prosecutor.

In his own words, with video cameras rolling, Biden described how he threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in March 2016 that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, sending the former Soviet republic toward insolvency, if it didn’t immediately fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.]

“I said, ‘You’re not getting the billion.’ I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money,’” Biden recalled telling Poroshenko.

“Well, son of a bitch, he got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time,” Biden told the Council on Foreign Relations event, insisting that President Obama was in on the threat.

Interviews with a half-dozen senior Ukrainian officials confirm Biden’s account, though they claim the pressure was applied over several months in late 2015 and early 2016, not just six hours of one dramatic day. Whatever the case, Poroshenko and Ukraine’s parliament obliged by ending Shokin’s tenure as prosecutor. Shokin was facing steep criticism in Ukraine, and among some U.S. officials, for not bringing enough corruption prosecutions when he was fired.

But Ukrainian officials tell me there was one crucial piece of information that Biden must have known but didn’t mention to his audience: The prosecutor he got fired was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into the natural gas firm Burisma Holdings that employed Biden’s younger son, Hunter, as a board member.

U.S. banking records show Hunter Biden’s American-based firm, Rosemont Seneca Partners LLC, received regular transfers into one of its accounts — usually more than $166,000 a month — from Burisma from spring 2014 through fall 2015, during a period when Vice President Biden was the main U.S. official dealing with Ukraine and its tense relations with Russia.

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This looks very bad for Biden. I bet it sinks his candidacy.

 

[Chomsky]

Joe Biden's 2020 Ukrainian nightmare: A closed probe is revived | TheHill

Two years after leaving office, Joe Biden couldn’t resist the temptation last year to brag to an audience of foreign policy specialists about the time as vice president that he strong-armed Ukraine into firing its top prosecutor.

In his own words, with video cameras rolling, Biden described how he threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in March 2016 that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, sending the former Soviet republic toward insolvency, if it didn’t immediately fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.]

“I said, ‘You’re not getting the billion.’ I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money,’” Biden recalled telling Poroshenko.

“Well, son of a bitch, he got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time,” Biden told the Council on Foreign Relations event, insisting that President Obama was in on the threat.

Interviews with a half-dozen senior Ukrainian officials confirm Biden’s account, though they claim the pressure was applied over several months in late 2015 and early 2016, not just six hours of one dramatic day. Whatever the case, Poroshenko and Ukraine’s parliament obliged by ending Shokin’s tenure as prosecutor. Shokin was facing steep criticism in Ukraine, and among some U.S. officials, for not bringing enough corruption prosecutions when he was fired.

But Ukrainian officials tell me there was one crucial piece of information that Biden must have known but didn’t mention to his audience: The prosecutor he got fired was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into the natural gas firm Burisma Holdings that employed Biden’s younger son, Hunter, as a board member.

U.S. banking records show Hunter Biden’s American-based firm, Rosemont Seneca Partners LLC, received regular transfers into one of its accounts — usually more than $166,000 a month — from Burisma from spring 2014 through fall 2015, during a period when Vice President Biden was the main U.S. official dealing with Ukraine and its tense relations with Russia.

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This looks very bad for Biden. I bet it sinks his candidacy.

Regardless of the voracity of the claims, the reason the bolded won't hold is because Biden will be compared in relation to his competitor (Trump), which pretty much nullifies the argument.

 

[Surrealistik]

Regardless of the voracity of the claims, the reason the bolded won't hold is because Biden will be compared in relation to his competitor (Trump), which pretty much nullifies the argument.

It's the primaries where this will be problematic.

There's a lot of damaging baggage and history to bludgeon Biden with if the candidates aren't resolved to play pattycakes with each other in the debates.

 

[Chomsky]

It's the primaries where this will be problematic.

There's a lot of damaging baggage and history to bludgeon Biden with if the candidates aren't resolved to play pattycakes with each other in the debates.

Fair enough, here; I agree.

Straight-up though, I do believe Biden is the right guy. I though so in 2016. My gut is the Dems will indeed coalesce under him if he's nominated, due to anger with Trump, and his moderate take may get back some of the crossed-over moderate Trump Dems that a proggy won't..

I'd like him to bring Harris along though, to give some progressive yin to his moderate yang, and hopefully keep the Dem progressives enthused.

 

[Casper]

Joe Biden's 2020 Ukrainian nightmare: A closed probe is revived | TheHill

Two years after leaving office, Joe Biden couldn’t resist the temptation last year to brag to an audience of foreign policy specialists about the time as vice president that he strong-armed Ukraine into firing its top prosecutor.

In his own words, with video cameras rolling, Biden described how he threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in March 2016 that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, sending the former Soviet republic toward insolvency, if it didn’t immediately fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.]

“I said, ‘You’re not getting the billion.’ I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money,’” Biden recalled telling Poroshenko.

“Well, son of a bitch, he got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time,” Biden told the Council on Foreign Relations event, insisting that President Obama was in on the threat.

Interviews with a half-dozen senior Ukrainian officials confirm Biden’s account, though they claim the pressure was applied over several months in late 2015 and early 2016, not just six hours of one dramatic day. Whatever the case, Poroshenko and Ukraine’s parliament obliged by ending Shokin’s tenure as prosecutor. Shokin was facing steep criticism in Ukraine, and among some U.S. officials, for not bringing enough corruption prosecutions when he was fired.

But Ukrainian officials tell me there was one crucial piece of information that Biden must have known but didn’t mention to his audience: The prosecutor he got fired was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into the natural gas firm Burisma Holdings that employed Biden’s younger son, Hunter, as a board member.

U.S. banking records show Hunter Biden’s American-based firm, Rosemont Seneca Partners LLC, received regular transfers into one of its accounts — usually more than $166,000 a month — from Burisma from spring 2014 through fall 2015, during a period when Vice President Biden was the main U.S. official dealing with Ukraine and its tense relations with Russia.

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This looks very bad for Biden. I bet it sinks his candidacy.

I bet Biden scares the crap out of trumplings....he is one of the top runners to get the nomination. If he gets the nomination I wonder if trump will even have the balls to debate him, I somehow think trump will not participate in any debates, cowards rarely do.

 

[Jack Fabulous]

Joe Biden's 2020 Ukrainian nightmare: A closed probe is revived | TheHill

Two years after leaving office, Joe Biden couldn’t resist the temptation last year to brag to an audience of foreign policy specialists about the time as vice president that he strong-armed Ukraine into firing its top prosecutor.

In his own words, with video cameras rolling, Biden described how he threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in March 2016 that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, sending the former Soviet republic toward insolvency, if it didn’t immediately fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.]

“I said, ‘You’re not getting the billion.’ I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money,’” Biden recalled telling Poroshenko.

“Well, son of a bitch, he got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time,” Biden told the Council on Foreign Relations event, insisting that President Obama was in on the threat.

Interviews with a half-dozen senior Ukrainian officials confirm Biden’s account, though they claim the pressure was applied over several months in late 2015 and early 2016, not just six hours of one dramatic day. Whatever the case, Poroshenko and Ukraine’s parliament obliged by ending Shokin’s tenure as prosecutor. Shokin was facing steep criticism in Ukraine, and among some U.S. officials, for not bringing enough corruption prosecutions when he was fired.

But Ukrainian officials tell me there was one crucial piece of information that Biden must have known but didn’t mention to his audience: The prosecutor he got fired was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into the natural gas firm Burisma Holdings that employed Biden’s younger son, Hunter, as a board member.

U.S. banking records show Hunter Biden’s American-based firm, Rosemont Seneca Partners LLC, received regular transfers into one of its accounts — usually more than $166,000 a month — from Burisma from spring 2014 through fall 2015, during a period when Vice President Biden was the main U.S. official dealing with Ukraine and its tense relations with Russia.

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This looks very bad for Biden. I bet it sinks his candidacy.

I wouldn't put too much stock into what "Ukrainian officials" have to say. As far as corrupt governments go, Ukraine makes Russia look like a pillar of virtue.

 

[zimmer]

Regardless of the voracity of the claims, the reason the bolded won't hold is because Biden will be compared in relation to his competitor (Trump), which pretty much nullifies the argument.

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Democrats tried every dirty trick and came up with zero.<br>
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Now the tables are turned and those who acted criminally are ****ting their pants.<br>
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Biden... Is on tape claiming he strong armed the firing of the Ukranian who was investigating this.<br>
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<strong>Joe Biden Admits to Getting Ukrainian Prosecutor who Investigated Son Fired</strong><br><br><br><br>

 

[Thoreau72]

Biden is just another corrupt career politician approaching senility. Washington is full of them these days.

That's why the young women in Congress are upsetting the apple cart.

 

[SLC]

Regardless of the voracity of the claims, the reason the bolded won't hold is because Biden will be compared in relation to his competitor (Trump), which pretty much nullifies the argument.

And what EVIDENCE do you have that Trump extorted a foreign government to prevent his family’s investigation

 

[SLC]

Fair enough, here; I agree.

Straight-up though, I do believe Biden is the right guy. I though so in 2016. My gut is the Dems will indeed coalesce under him if he's nominated, due to anger with Trump, and his moderate take may get back some of the crossed-over moderate Trump Dems that a proggy won't..

I'd like him to bring Harris along though, to give some progressive yin to his moderate yang, and hopefully keep the Dem progressives enthused.

So you don’t mind if Biden is corrupt as long as he is a Democrat it is OK.

That is just being a hypocrite:lol:

 

[SLC]

I wouldn't put too much stock into what "Ukrainian officials" have to say. As far as corrupt governments go, Ukraine makes Russia look like a pillar of virtue.

Well we know for a fact that the guy was investigating the Hunter Biden and the Ukraine oil company that had him on their payroll and we how Biden on video bragging about getting the guy fired. So there is that :lol:

 

[Cardinal]

Joe Biden's 2020 Ukrainian nightmare: A closed probe is revived | TheHill

Two years after leaving office, Joe Biden couldn’t resist the temptation last year to brag to an audience of foreign policy specialists about the time as vice president that he strong-armed Ukraine into firing its top prosecutor.

In his own words, with video cameras rolling, Biden described how he threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in March 2016 that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, sending the former Soviet republic toward insolvency, if it didn’t immediately fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.]

“I said, ‘You’re not getting the billion.’ I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money,’” Biden recalled telling Poroshenko.

“Well, son of a bitch, he got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time,” Biden told the Council on Foreign Relations event, insisting that President Obama was in on the threat.

Interviews with a half-dozen senior Ukrainian officials confirm Biden’s account, though they claim the pressure was applied over several months in late 2015 and early 2016, not just six hours of one dramatic day. Whatever the case, Poroshenko and Ukraine’s parliament obliged by ending Shokin’s tenure as prosecutor. Shokin was facing steep criticism in Ukraine, and among some U.S. officials, for not bringing enough corruption prosecutions when he was fired.

But Ukrainian officials tell me there was one crucial piece of information that Biden must have known but didn’t mention to his audience: The prosecutor he got fired was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into the natural gas firm Burisma Holdings that employed Biden’s younger son, Hunter, as a board member.

U.S. banking records show Hunter Biden’s American-based firm, Rosemont Seneca Partners LLC, received regular transfers into one of its accounts — usually more than $166,000 a month — from Burisma from spring 2014 through fall 2015, during a period when Vice President Biden was the main U.S. official dealing with Ukraine and its tense relations with Russia.

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This looks very bad for Biden. I bet it sinks his candidacy.

John Solomon: every trump supporter's favorite conspiracy theory hack. Why does The Hill keep this guy around?

 

[SLC]

John Solomon: every trump supporter's favorite conspiracy theory hack. Why does The Hill keep this guy around?

Because he is accurate and has solid sources. You just don’t like him because he is uncovering Democratic corruption. :lol: #AttackTheMessenger

 

[Cardinal]

Because he is accurate and has solid sources. You just don’t like him because he is uncovering Democratic corruption. :lol:

He's a CT kook.

Literally 100% of the time that a republican links to The Hill, I say, "That's going to be a John Solomon opinion piece." I'm right every time.

 

[joko104]

Regardless of the voracity of the claims, the reason the bolded won't hold is because Biden will be compared in relation to his competitor (Trump), which pretty much nullifies the argument.

That is the Democratic Party's pitch: "The crimes of our candidates don't matter because of our lies we tell about Trump. Truth is irrelevant. Only our lies matter because the corporate MSM and press propaganda outlets of the super rich are on our side."

We see another Democrat who has no problem boasting of lack of integrity in messages. Their/your hatred of President Trump is claimed to justify any amorality, immorality and hypocrisy. As I often state, the Democratic Party is now the fascist party and that is fascist logic.

 

[joko104]

So Joe Biden admits to committing an act of war against Ukraine, criminal conspiracy against Ukraine and Ukraine could issue warrants for his arrest upon his own confession of corruption.

"Trump is worse than me!" didn't work for old Hilary Clinton. Why does anyone think it will work for old Joe Biden?

 

[joko104]

Well we know for a fact that the guy was investigating the Hunter Biden and the Ukraine oil company that had him on their payroll and we how Biden on video bragging about getting the guy fired. So there is that :lol:

It's called "confessing to crimes."

 

[slick]

Regardless of the voracity of the claims, the reason the bolded won't hold is because Biden will be compared in relation to his competitor (Trump), which pretty much nullifies the argument.

This is damning for Biden. It's Ukraine, his son Hunter hauled out millions out of Ukraine. Biden threatened to bankrupt Ukraine if
the guy investigating the energy company that his kid was made board member of was not fired. Joe is up to his eyeballs in this.
Biden's pal in Ukraine just lost his Presidency to a comedian. Now Biden doesnt have cover for his son's Ukraine involvement with a company there with big $$$. Joe Biden is the very definition of a corrupt insider, Yet he markets himself as “a man of the working people.”

On top of that Hunter Biden — Biden’s second son also — secured $1 billion in financing from the Bank of China,
an arm of the Chinese government — for a private equity firm founded by himself and Christopher Heinz, the
stepson of former Secretary of State John Kerry. That private equity firm was named Bohai-Harvest RST (BHR).
Not a bad comeback for Hunter Biden who was unceremoniously discharged from the Navy for covaine usage.

Biden obviously loves his children and would do anything for them, but when you’re the vice president, you can’t run
around doing favors for America’s enemies to help make money for your son.
For the exception of being too old, too white, too male, and too straight... Joe has all of the qualifications
to be the Democrat nominee…

 

[nekrodev]

I'd like him to bring Harris along though, to give some progressive yin to his moderate yang, and hopefully keep the Dem progressives enthused.

L M A O

i'm dying

did you really just say this?

Kamala Harris is as progressive as Biden or Hillary Clinton were. no progressives are even remotely excited about her, especially seeing as Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are in the race, as well.

 

[nekrodev]

more ammunition against Uncle Joe. his record and his hands are already bad enough, this certainly isn't going to help. the real question is "how hard is the Democratic and media establishment going to keep pushing him, regardless of this?"

and the answer to that question is probably "as hard as they can", because they're ridiculous and stupid and never learn.

 

[joko104]

If Biden got the nomination, Harris is the appropriate token candidate - female and minority. Plus she'll give it up for him if he'll make her his running "mate." But she may be WAY to old for his tastes in females. :lol:

 

[TheDeplorable]

Respectfully, I don't see this as being any kind of a problem for Biden. Of those "independents" who swing elections, I don't see this as being a high arousal issue. It certainly doesn't change a measurable number of votes. Without a doubt Biden's biggest issue in getting the nomination is the Bernie bots. There are as loyal to him as Trump voters are on the other side. However IMO whomever receives the nomination will be destroyed in the general election, the likes reminiscent of the '84 Presidential election.

 

[lwf]

If Biden got the nomination, Harris is the appropriate token candidate - female and minority. Plus she'll give it up for him if he'll make her his running "mate." But she may be WAY to old for his tastes in females. :lol:

Classy

 

[rocket88]

Joe Biden's 2020 Ukrainian nightmare: A closed probe is revived | TheHill

Two years after leaving office, Joe Biden couldn’t resist the temptation last year to brag to an audience of foreign policy specialists about the time as vice president that he strong-armed Ukraine into firing its top prosecutor.

In his own words, with video cameras rolling, Biden described how he threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in March 2016 that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, sending the former Soviet republic toward insolvency, if it didn’t immediately fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.]

“I said, ‘You’re not getting the billion.’ I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money,’” Biden recalled telling Poroshenko.

“Well, son of a bitch, he got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time,” Biden told the Council on Foreign Relations event, insisting that President Obama was in on the threat.

Interviews with a half-dozen senior Ukrainian officials confirm Biden’s account, though they claim the pressure was applied over several months in late 2015 and early 2016, not just six hours of one dramatic day. Whatever the case, Poroshenko and Ukraine’s parliament obliged by ending Shokin’s tenure as prosecutor. Shokin was facing steep criticism in Ukraine, and among some U.S. officials, for not bringing enough corruption prosecutions when he was fired.

But Ukrainian officials tell me there was one crucial piece of information that Biden must have known but didn’t mention to his audience: The prosecutor he got fired was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into the natural gas firm Burisma Holdings that employed Biden’s younger son, Hunter, as a board member.

U.S. banking records show Hunter Biden’s American-based firm, Rosemont Seneca Partners LLC, received regular transfers into one of its accounts — usually more than $166,000 a month — from Burisma from spring 2014 through fall 2015, during a period when Vice President Biden was the main U.S. official dealing with Ukraine and its tense relations with Russia.

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This looks very bad for Biden. I bet it sinks his candidacy.

Wait, a sitting Vice President engaged in diplomacy and his son had investments? How did we not impeach?

 

[rocket88]

If Biden got the nomination, Harris is the appropriate token candidate - female and minority. Plus she'll give it up for him if he'll make her his running "mate." But she may be WAY to old for his tastes in females. :lol:

Back in Reconstruction days, the conservative Democrats liked to tar the progressive Republicans with the epithet " Black Republican Party." Good to see that history does indeed repeat itself and that conservatives ate still afraid of black people.