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Obama said white people are typically racist. :shrug:
Over a 120 year combined span, Carter and I have conversed with hundreds of people, and as I have said, if you think racism is dead, you are just whistling Dixie.What evidence is there that Wilson has racial bias or that his outburst was race-based?
Does anyone want to back up their claim that Wilson's outburst was based on race?
This is what I mean by irresponsible comments like the one Carter made. When you make wild accusations like Carter did, without any real proof of their validity, people will start to believe it and the word "racist" takes on a whole new and convoluted meaning. People will start to use it in situations when it does not really apply, and that only adds to the problem.
No Representative has ever called, outright, and on TV, any president a liar.
The Republicians desperately need a leader, a man of quality and intelligence.
Watch the video at the link.
Joe Wilson is a member, or apparently was a member of the Sons of Confederates Veterans.
Maybe in the past this group was harmless, but according to the SPLC, since their new "leader" took over; it has been an overtly racist organization that has repudiated "racial inter-breeding" and called slavery benign, and slave owners noble.
We'll see in the upcoming days whether he is still a member of this very racist group of crazies.
The SCV has ongoing programs at the local, state, and national levels which offer members a wide range of activities. Preservation work, marking Confederate soldier's graves, historical re-enactments, scholarly publications, and regular meetings to discuss the military and political history of the War Between the States are only a few of the activities sponsored by local units, called camps.
Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush have tendered letters of commendation to the SCV and affiliates,[4][5] as have other members of the United States Congress.
On May 25, 2009, President Barack Obama garnered praise from SCV Commander Chuck McMichael, who stated, “He upheld the tradition of the office to which he was elected. I do intend to send him a thank you letter. This is the kind of thing that transcends politics.” This statement was in response to Obama's decision to continue the long standing tradition of the U.S. President sending a wreath to the Confederate Monument at Arlington National Cemetery on Memorial Day.
He can have an opinion. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. But his opinion is unsubstantiated and therefore lacks validity. It could be my opinion that Jimmy Carter is an android sent by hostile aliens to ruin this nation one stupid remark at a time, but without evidence to back it up, its hardly something folks should take serious, is it?
I did. Nowhere in his comments did Carter say or imply that Wilson was a racist. His comments about Wilson centered solely on the fact that Wilson's outburst was unacceptable, ugly, and that Wilson was being considered for censure by the House.
Got anything else?
From the Sons of Confederate Veterans website:
I only scanned it briefly, but strangely I didn't see anything regarding race there. I checked them out on wikipedia and foudn this:
I doubt our last two former Presidents would be commending a vile racist organization.
Praising Obama. Hmmmm, those vile racist scumbags!
Other notable members (and fellow vile racists include) Clint Eastwood, Harry Truman, Trent Lott, Charlie Daniels, and Trace Adkins.
There has been some factionalization in the group and some of the leadership has taken on a more political and racial agenda, but even the critics of the group like respected Civil War historian James M. McPherson refuse to paint all members and chapters as neo-Confederates or white supremists.
Sons of Confederate Veterans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I think you've answered your own question. You folks who are having fits over this should take Psychoclown's advice.
:doh
Link please. When I claim a FACT (like you just did) I back it up with a link)
Opinions....No....but claimed facts need to be proved.
The Rev. Eric Dean, an American Southerner living in Europe, had been hearing the rumors for months. Finally, he decided to pay a visit to a former high-ranking leader of the Sons of Confederate Veterans (SCV), the Southern heritage group of which Dean had long been a proud member.
For Rev. Dean, the clincher was a sermon from the SCV's chaplain in chief that attacked "racial interbreeding" as ungodly and described slavery as biblically sanctioned.
SPLCenter.org: Into The Wild
SPLCenter.org: Into The Wild
Mind if I summarize?The Rev. Eric Dean, an American Southerner living in Europe, had been hearing the rumors for months. Finally, he decided to pay a visit to a former high-ranking leader of the Sons of Confederate Veterans (SCV), the Southern heritage group of which Dean had long been a proud member.
For Rev. Dean, the clincher was a sermon from the SCV's chaplain in chief that attacked "racial interbreeding" as ungodly and described slavery as biblically sanctioned.
SPLCenter.org: Into The Wild
SPLCenter.org: Into The Wild
No....But this is:This is a lie,
It is common knowledge that Obama in a radio interview after his "Race" speech said his grandmothers racism was "typical of white people"....
Obama Calls Grandmother 'Typical White Person' in Radio Interview - Political News - FOXNews.com
Got anything from an actual news source?
And even if this is true, as James M. McPerson said, it doesn't mean every member and every chapter promotes that agenda. If Wilson is really a racist, then I'm sure he's on record somewhere supporting this new leadership.
Mind if I summarize?
1. The Rev. Eric Dean had been hearing rumors for months
2. The Rev. Eric Dean hears an SCV chaplain in chief sermon he deems racist
3. Therefore, Joe Wilson's "you lie" remark was probably racist.
:roll:
No....But this is:
Obama was simply saying that his grandmother was "a typical white person."...No racism mentioned or implied.
That lie has been spread by Fox News & the GOP for over a year & backlash from it helped to get Obama elected.
I'm just giving my opinion. Yes, I think intuition based on subtle nuances of expression or tone of voice can tell a lot.
I haven't met the guy, just saw that one clip, but I do suspect that he may very well have some racial problems with Obama. It wouldn't surprise me at all.
Also, the fact that the comment that Obama was making was regarding illegal aliens is another tip off. He obviously also has strong feelings about them, most of whom are Mexican as we all know.
Agreed.Too bad your summary fails.
And "actual" news source?
Excuse me, but what are you talking about?
Here's his quote:Obama was simply saying that his grandmother was "a typical white person."...No racism mentioned or implied.
But she is a typical white person who, uh, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know there's a reaction that's been been bred into our experiences that don't go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way and that's just the nature of race in our society. We have to break through it
Carter has a point.
Another dodge!
As I said, I can't debate Rush's body of work because I don't listen to him and have no desire to. However, YOU brought up a specific song and YOU claimed THAT SONG was racist. I'm still waiting for you to explain exactly how that song is racist.
Actually, I think Carter's reasoning was that for a representative to get so heated over a speech, implies something deeper. Carter interpreted that something deeper as racism. I think it has more to do with the widening of the ideological divide and the propaganda perpetrated by the media.
Whatever it was, it was an emotional reaction, a clear aversion towards Obama that had less to do with what Obama was saying than the fact it was him saying it.
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