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The former president continued that democratic developments — fueled by sites such as Facebook and Twitter — might be damaged by the NSA revelations, essentially strangling emerging democratic revolutions in the cradle by casting doubt on the social media juggernauts’ independent credibility.
Jimmy Carter: 'America no longer has functioning democracy' | The Daily Caller
I hope this developes a little more. I think he is making an important point.
Yes it seems so. If the NSA is watching attitudes through Facebook, Twitter and other social networks it may detect trends that may not match its policies. Later it may use mechanisms to stop growth of policies that promote its politics and increase growth of those that do so. Influencing impact from start.
That is if it has nothing better to do than play nanny/teacher by using such data.
Jimmy Carter: 'America no longer has functioning democracy' | The Daily Caller
I hope this developes a little more. I think he is making an important point.
The NSA doesn't make policy; it is but an signals intelligence collection agency. Policy is created and implemented by politicians- take your grievances to them.
The NSA doesn't make policy; it is but an signals intelligence collection agency. Policy is created and implemented by politicians- take your grievances to them.
Under the umbrella of the Dept. of Homeland Security, it is indeed run by a politician who make not only policy but, all decisions.
Jimmy Carter: 'America no longer has functioning democracy' | The Daily Caller
I hope this developes a little more. I think he is making an important point.
:doh In other news, apparently there was no democracy before the invention of the internet. :roll:
:doh In other news, apparently there was no democracy before the invention of the internet. :roll:
I think he was saying that the internet is ruining freedom because the government is taking a tool and using it against its citizens for its unintended purpose.
I stand corrected...however:NSA falls under DOD.
I stand corrected...however:
https://www.cdt.org/commentary/dhs-nsa-cybersecurity-swap-success-be-named-later
The desire to be under the same umbrella is apparent.
The NSA is run by professionals. The DHS is a bunch of misfit goobs.
If it were unintended then there would be no reason to do it. I can assure you it is intended.I think he was saying that the internet is ruining freedom because the government is taking a tool and using it against its citizens for its unintended purpose.
That is your opinion, but it is just your opinion.
ALL agencies in the government have had wasteful spending, so I don't see the NSA being any different just because it is under the DoD.
No. His idiotic statement presupposes the necessity of an internet as a precondition for democracy. Otherwise, observation of the activity on it could not effect democracy.
....not really. It's just opinion sort of in the same way that the belief among most NFL players that - currently - the Jets kinda suck is "just opinion". DHS is an unfortunate joke, widely staffed by people out of their element (you find counter-examples: within the Coast Guard, for example. But Big DHS? Not so much. The scissors video was all too unsurprising.).
Yeah. There is a definite qualitative difference. The NSA, for example, is staffed by the super nerds of the super nerds. If you are extremely good at what you do, you may get a chance to compete for a chance to try out for the NSA's players (there is a reason Snowden wasn't NSA, but rather a contractor whose job it was to give out accounts and passwords). The DHS, however, was staffed in a hurry, and so the call went out for anyone who had a Masters Degree - which turned out to mean a lot of retired or former teachers. So the NSA is staffed by SIGINT ninjas... and the DHS is staffed by the lady who got bored teaching 10th Grade Social Studies. Qualitative. Difference.
Good point. I was remarking to another statement he had. I read it earlier on a German site.
You need to stop watching T.V. and movies. Yes, there are intelligent people in the NSA, but they are managed by regular people as well, not super nerd geniouses. A neighbor of mine when I was in North Carolina got picked as a Manager and he was no super nerd.
So you might want to step back and not believe every movie you see on T.V.
Information presented above not derived from television (as I do not get American TV, living abroad as I do), but rather from direct interaction with the relevant agencies discussed, and interaction with other members of the Intelligence Community, admittedly heavily weighted in favor of the DIA.
Fair enough.
To bring it back to the OP, I think he is trying to claim that the unrestricted communications of Facebook etc. are enablers of Democracy, and that the NSA program limits the effectiveness of those enablers.
Two points about how very wrong he was:
1. Information derived from programs of the kind he is referring to are not exactly shared with the likes of Egyptian police. They are - you know - sort of "secret".
2. Facebook et. al. do not enable democracy. They enable group action. There is an important difference between "representative government" and "a mob".
It's obviously from movies that you get your information from becuase the NSA is not filled with only super geniouses. Your erroneous sensationalism of the NSA is noted and ignored.
:roll: whatever. You cannot convince those who are not open to the possibility of new information. Hey, you had a neighbor once. Obviously you have vast personal experience in the IC.
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