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JD Vance criticizes European allies for not listening to their citizens

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Some of the things Vance had to say...







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Vice President J.D. Vance: More and more all over Europe, they’re voting for political leaders who promise to put an end to out-of-control migration. Now, I happen to agree with a lot of these concerns, but you don’t have to agree with me. I just think that people care about their homes, they care about their dreams, they care about their safety and their capacity to provide for themselves and their children, and they’re smart.

I think this is one of the most important things I’ve learned in my brief time in politics, contrary to what you You might hear a couple of mountains over in Davos, the citizens of all of our nations don’t generally think of themselves as educated animals or as interchangeable cogs of a global economy. It’s hardly surprising that they don’t want to be shuffled about or relentlessly ignored by their leaders. It is the business of democracy to adjudicate these big questions at the ballot box.

I believe that dismissing people, dismissing their concerns, or worse yet, shutting down media, shutting down elections, or shutting people out of the political process protects nothing. In fact, it is the most surefire way to destroy democracy. Speaking up and expressing opinions isn’t election interference.

Even when people express views outside your own country, and even when those people are very influential.

Trust me, I say this with all humor, if American democracy can survive 10 years of Greta Thunberg’s scolding, you guys can survive a few months of Elon Musk. But what no democracy, American, German, or European, will survive is telling millions of voters that their thoughts and concerns, their aspirations, their please for relief, are invalid or unworthy of even being considered. Democracy rests on the sacred principle that the voice of the people matters. There’s no room for firewalls. You either uphold the principle or you don’t.​

And here is the full 20 minute speech...




Yeah...I'm sure those in the audience didn't like the spanking Vance gave them.
 
Allan said:
The speech was not well received...
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I think we are all a bit shocked but the omens were there in Trump's first Presidency.

Trump has also declared BRICS dead - but it was Trump's actions to banish those 4 nations that drove them together in the first place. He and Vance are possibly going to do the same to European nations - force them to come up with our own security structures without American involvement.

j brown's body said:
My understanding is he made a plea for them to listen to Neo-Nazi Musk's disinformation.
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I think that mention of Greta as a threat to the US and how we should put up with a couple of months of Elon was part of what shocked the defence community.
 
Allan said:
The speech was not well received...
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The Trump/Musk cabal is rapidluy turning America into a corrupt mafia-oligarchy. Trump's corruption is on a far grander scale than that of William Hale Thompson, the notorious Chicago Mayor during Prohibition.

Trump's pick for US Attorney General - Pam Bondi - clearly committed perjury during her confirmation hearings. Federal prosecutors began resigning en-masse yesterday.

What more can be said regarding Trump and Ukraine? Donald Trump is a surrender-monkey. He wants a Trump Tower Moscow and will sell out Ukraine as a downpayment.

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Wonder how much longer until Trump, Musk, Hegseth, and Vance turn the US into a pariah?

I bet poor li'l Marco is regretting his decision.
 
vance dismissed disinformation and misinformation as “Soviet-era words” and blasted efforts including, he said, by the Biden Administration, to stifle speech on social media.
“There is no room for firewalls,” he said, adding that there is either free speech or not.
 
redbeer said:
Saw the speech and it was one well warranted, not only in Germany but in the US.....a call for true democracy, one of the People and not just a few. Fantastic speech from the VP.
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The idea that Vance could school countries with democracies hundreds of years older than America's is laughable.
 
redbeer said:
Arrogancy and pride comes before the fall....if they can't see/grasp his words, they really are in big trouble.
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The US is ranked as a "flawed democracy" by EIU.

Almost all European countries are ranked as "full democracies".

You have no lessons to give Europe. Y'all are a little ****ed up right now in case you haven't noticed.
 
Allan said:
The US is ranked as a "flawed democracy" by EIU.

Almost all European countries are ranked as "full democracies".

You have no lessons to give Europe. Y'all are a little ****ed up right now in case you haven't noticed.
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No you are wrong. America is gaining back its democracy, back to the People. We are the ones who are supposed to have a say in a democracy, not a few. The citizens don't want to be censored anymore....the citizens don't want open borders anymore.....the citizens don't want to continue to support foreign wars.....the citizens are not going to be taken advantage of foreign countries anymore. It's the government of and by the People not a liberal ideology anymore who has moved far, far to the left......not now.

Another four more years of liberal control the USA would be just like them and Canada....liberal authoritarianism.....now now. Our Republic is back and seemingly this insane woke ideology has awakened a Giant and they can come along or they can step aside.....it's up to them.
 
Mycroft said:
Some of the things Vance had to say...
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The irony of his words is suffocating.

Someone remind him that the AP is shut out of press briefings because someone said "Gulf of Mexico"
Someone remind him that no one in goverment other than Musk has input on drastic changes being enacted.
Someone remind him that the American public is saying: this is not what we voted for.
 
redbeer said:
if they can't see/grasp his words, they really are in big trouble.
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This is the one thing I can agree with you on. America is headed down a path that I don't want the rest of the world to follow. It's not OK to threaten allies that you are going to capture their territory or financially break them so that they become "the 51st state."
Lectures by this administration of "not listening to their citizens" is comical espcially if you ask the Danes or natives of Greenland what they think of Trump's proposal against their very wishes.

Anyhow, it's up to the rest of the world to work together and work around what Trump is bent on. Brazil, China, Russia and India did this to create BRICS and so everyone else can and should equally gather around a different beacon.
 
anatta said:
vance dismissed disinformation and misinformation as “Soviet-era words” and blasted efforts including, he said, by the Biden Administration, to stifle speech on social media.
“There is no room for firewalls,” he said, adding that there is either free speech or not.
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Spoken virtually at the same time Trump kicked AP off the plane to Munich for not conforming to Trump speak.
 
redbeer said:
No you are wrong. America is gaining back its democracy, back to the People. We are the ones who are supposed to have a say in a democracy, not a few. The citizens don't want to be censored anymore....the citizens don't want open borders anymore.....the citizens don't want to continue to support foreign wars.....the citizens are not going to be taken advantage of foreign countries anymore. It's the government of and by the People not a liberal ideology anymore who has moved far, far to the left......not now.

Another four more years of liberal control the USA would be just like them and Canada....liberal authoritarianism.....now now. Our Republic is back and seemingly this insane woke ideology has awakened a Giant and they can come along or they can step aside.....it's up to them.
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You do realize that the president tried to steal an election, no?
 
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Allan said:
JD Vance compared European leaders to cold war tyrants in a bizarre speech at the Munich Security Conference.
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This is what Vance is defending:

Germany’s political class, including the conservative Christian Democrats who currently lead the polls to form the next government...distinguish the AfD itself as extreme, because of some of its members’ history of use of Nazi language and antisemitic and racist comments, along with plots to overthrow the federal government.​
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Petty telling, no?
 
Infinite Chaos said:
This is the one thing I can agree with you on. America is headed down a path that I don't want the rest of the world to follow. It's not OK to threaten allies that you are going to capture their territory or financially break them so that they become "the 51st state."
Lectures by this administration of "not listening to their citizens" is comical espcially if you ask the Danes or natives of Greenland what they think of Trump's proposal against their very wishes.

Anyhow, it's up to the rest of the world to work together and work around what Trump is bent on. Brazil, China, Russia and India did this to create BRICS and so everyone else can and should equally gather around a different beacon.
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Censoring citizens as the US did under Biden....no, that's not democracy. Imprisoning citizens over saying a prayer in silence outside an abortion citizen.....no that's not democracy. It's far left politics, that's all it is and is entirely undemocratic behavior of elected officials to do against its citizens.

That's tyranny and the far majority anywhere in the world are against it.....they went too far left.

I'm not sure what Trump is about with making Canada our 51st State or obtaining Greenland, but it's not nefarious or fascist behavior as the left falsely accuses. It's more akin to protecting us and our neighbors from the advances of China. As far as the rest of the world, they are free to do as they please, makes me no difference. America is turning to taking care of our issues and problems than being the police of the world, wasting billions of our taxpayer monies on influencing other countries people.

It's time they pull their own weight then we can work together in achieving prosperity for our people. The left is full of hot air right now, even fighting against government waste and fraud, supporting illegal immigration and lawlessness. Shouting all these ludicrous narratives and it's incredible after the last 10 years there are actually some who still fall for the bs.....amazing.
 
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