I wish for theirliving standards to go below 6 feet deep and out of ****ing control . That's going to even push up the prices of their vehicles even more due to lack of vehicles in Moscow ulus
Just means more Chinese vehicles being sold in Russia p
Just means more Chinese vehicles being sold in Russia p
EDIT : Just means more Chinese jokesbeing sold in Moscow empire
Remember that China makes approximately 25 million vehicles a year. For every manufacturer in the world basically. The Buick Envision which is I believe Buicks most reliable vehicle was designed and engineered in China ( along with being built there)Which means more garbage.
Sorry, Chinese car quality is way better than it used to be but it's still pretty awful and I get the impression it's not going to suddenly get a lot better anytime soon.
That's a bit like pretending China is South Korea, which it's not.
So yeah, let the Russians buy lots of crappy Chinese cars if they like them so mumuch.
Remember that China makes approximately 25 million vehicles a year
EDIT FOR YOU : Remember that China makes approximately 25 million shitty vehicles a year
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wrong , these vehicles produce our firms in China , Slovakia, Thailand, etc.If you call Tesla, BMW, MB, VW, Toyota, Honda, Nissan to be shitty sure
Remember that China makes approximately 25 million vehicles a year. For every manufacturer in the world basically. The Buick Envision which is I believe Buicks most reliable vehicle was designed and engineered in China ( along with being built there)
When GM Export debuted in 1911, Buicks were its first cars, and they quickly arrived in Australia, New Zealand and China. Sun Yat-sen, the first provisional president of the Republic of China, was photographed in a Buick in Shanghai in 1912. The last emperor of China, P'u-i, who abdicated as a child in 1912 but later regained some power, bought his first Buick (but not his last) in 1926. A Buick sales office opened in Shanghai in 1929. In 1930, an advertisement claimed that one of every six cars in China was a Buick and that "Buick owners are mostly the leading men in China." A Shanghai museum displays a 1941 Buick owned by postwar premier Chou En-lai. In Nanjing, a Buick owned by Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek is identified as the car in which his wife was driven after World War II.
If you call Tesla, BMW, MB, VW, Toyota, Honda, Nissan to be shitty sure
She was shocked beyond belief when I explained that WE invented this stuff, she even refused to believe it initially, quite funny.
Buick is unique in this because they managed to capture a Chinese market making something Chinese buyers liked and that happened years BEFORE the GM-SAIC partnership.
Like ONE HUNDRED YEARS before...
Buick rolled out a Chinese market version of the Buick Regal in 1999, so named because all Chinese market vehicle designs call for much more room in the rear seat area thanks to Chinese cultural emphasis on the importance of such extra room in any upscale sedan. Indeed, the presence OF such extended rear seating space is perhaps the very thing that defines a car as upscale in Chinese consumer culture.
Make no mistake about it, production and design of Buicks is tied to Buick quality goals conceived HERE, not there.
For proof, just check out the acres of brand new Chinese cars which are rotting in situ right now.
wrong , these vehicles produce our firms in China , Slovakia, Thailand, etc.
Buick exists because of China, heck you can still buy Buick sedans in China.
As for extra room.
Most luxury makers make extended wheelbase versions of vehicles for the Chinese market. Most are engineered in China.
As for the large number of EVs that have not been sold, most were to be sold to ride sharing companies which of course Covid ruined that market.
They are now the previous generation of cars and not attractive at all to vehicle buyers in China, who demand the most up to date tech in the car. So most models require a heavy update in 3 years
Now having a few thousand or even a few tens of thousands of EVs that are old tech not getting sold is not really much of an issue when looking at 25 million vehicles being sold each year, we are talking a fraction of a % which is rather insignificant overall
You're offering your opinion as if it replaces facts.
Buick's existence because of China doesn't change the fact that Buicks were not designed BY Chinese engineers IN China.
Today's GM-SAIC partnership uses input by Chinese engineers but you're trying to pretend that GM went to China at the turn of the century and begged China to help them design a car.
How old are you? I'm serious, I really would like to know, because it sounds like you were born around the turn of the most recent century.
Buick exists today because of Buick sales in China in 2008, made it a brand worth saving vs Pontiac and Oldsmobile. Without the Chinese market Buick would have been cut
I was wrong about the Envision being engineered in China, it is just the only place it is built.
Buick exists today NOT because of Buick sales in China
GM said Buick made a billion dollars a year, and Pontiac lost the same amount. But the other key factor was how big Buick was in China--it was huge! Still taking on Volkswagen, Toyota, and other brands in China, Buick sells more products there than it does at home. So killing Buick off was never an option for GM, so it had to be Pontiac.
China the Chinese market has not been about high horsepower engines,
The BYD Seal seems to be getting good reviews for a mid market vehicleNobody mentioned horsepower.
Look, it's real simple, the automotive press is a global idea, it's not limited to just US brands.
Automotive trade mags and reviews are global. People all over the world read up on automotive ideas and applications and cars are a global interest group.
The day China actually makes a HIGH quality vehicle, there's no way the news can be quashed, for the very reason you keep going back to, the sheer size of the Chinese market.
And that means HIGH QUALITY ENGINES, and in the case of EV's, HIGH QUALITY ELECTRICAL drive systems.
Sorry, but that is not what China is known for, and they never HAVE been known for it either.
China is known for CHEAP engines, and CHEAP electrical and electronic systems.
I'll put it another way...
Back when DVD first began to dominate as a video distribution format, high speed internet was still not quite ubiquitous, and neither was high capacity storage media.
YouTube did not exist yet either and even once it came into being it was limited to SUB-VHS quality 240p for many years.
And burning a DVD meant you were taking a chance with either so called +r or -r media and if your client on the other end had the wrong kind of DVD player they might not be able to play
the video they paid you to do for them.
So MY SOLUTION was simple...the client is paying me anywhere from $650 to seven or eight thousand dollars or even more for a video I shot, edited and produced and I want to GUARANTEE they can play
what I send them so I would just BUY a CHEAP CHINESE MADE DVD player and include it in the shipment.
I would take the finished DVD I had produced and make sure it played in the player and then tuck it all in together in the packaging and send it out.
For thirty-nine to fifty nine bucks it was cheap insurance that my client would be able to play his media.
Mind you: CHEAP CHINESE DVD players. CHEAP.
The BYD Seal seems to be getting good reviews for a mid market vehicle
We shall see but BYD EV's are also rotting by the tens of thousands too.
And you know what truly rankles about that? They've wasted thousands of tons of lithium for batteries which will rot forever out there.
That's not exactly the kind of thing I want to be known for supporting when I tool down the I-605 in my BYD vehicle.
Cheer for them all you like, it's a free country!
Me? I don't dig cheap crap made in China and never have.
Byd is producing Lfp batteries now and batteries will be recycled.
Again given how fast the EV market changed and that the ride sharing companies went under during covid, that tens of thousands are sitting not being used is not a big issue they will be recycled, and that is out of 24 million in sales. Generally less than 1 %, and they are older designs replaced with far better vehicles
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