It's Time For American Democracy Loving Citizens, to AWAKEN!!!

[RealityNow]

All Moderate and Liberal Voters no matter what party…. must assume CONSERVATIVES may have purged YOU from the voting rolls. Any way possible: ALEC: The Voice of Corporate Special Interests in State Legislatures | Right Wing Watch

Okay let's plan ahead = VOTE VOTE VOTE !


Voters ORGANIZE A VOTING DAY PACKET which could contain:

— 2 separate and recent*Utility Bills*(bills from within the past 6 months prior to Election Day,*like 1 Phone Bill and 1 Power Bill) that will prove*where your LEGAL Precinct is, and validate your Voter*residency.
Those 2 distinct utility bills should*satisfy many*State's "Voter*Proof of Residency" registration and same-day Voting requirements........*

--- a birth certificate

 --- drivers license or state ID card

--- proof of voter registration etc etc etc.

--- Passport

--- Keep it close by to secure your voting opportunities .

--- I do have mine absolutely!

Let's get on with it. WE voters have a mess to clean up.

 Sorry to say the grand ole party that represented the Fiscal Conservative/Socially Responsible republicans is dead.

Over thrown by a radical right wing Libertarian coup over the past 39 years led by Charles Koch $$$$$.



Once again….Voters BEGIN ORGANIZING YOUR VOTING DAY PACKET. Keep it close by ALWAYS.


Make sure a birth certificate is readily available which can be replaced through the county seat one was born …..It may take about 3 weeks

Good Info... I always vote, but I certainly will check to ensure nothing twisted has happened.

 

[Perotista]

You exemplify exactly what I continue writing about...as to the beauty of "Diversity" !!!!

So many others who engage this site, take it as if I have something against white people... which I don't, I have issue with the system that still tries to promote Confederacy Ideals under the banner of Conservatism... George Wallace, promoted segregationist agenda in the 1960's but learn to change as he got older... During his time promoting segregation he spoke of how,blacks would want to participate in the programs the congress established and will establish... and to them, that was upsetting their program of shifting tax money to the well to do and wealthy whites, "which they called "Their Way Of Life"... which was a designed sham to extract from the working poor whites and minorities all the resource benefit they should have had access to that was created from their tax money too. Blacks could not go to parks, public swimming pools, yet their tax money helps build and support it, and many poor whites were not welcome because they could not afford to live in the well to do community, so they simply did not go there, because they knew they were not welcome, yet their tax money helped build and maintain it as well.

Conservatism has always wanted to "direct tax resources to WHAT THEY WANT''' and fight against it being to directed to areas and people they did not want it to go to. You will never hear Conservative crying and whining about Budget and Debt during a Republican Led Administration, because they move money to serve themselves, but the minute a Democrat is in office, all they talk about is Budget and Debt... and then have the audacity to claim minorities, women and poor whites want something for nothing, when true fact is, those who are well to do and wealthy delude the poor whites to follow conservatism, in a way as if to use them to be protectors of the same well to do and wealthy who fleece them continually, because they see them under the labels they placed on them which is "poor whites", and "white trash".... if their son or daughter brought a poor white home, the well to do and wealthy parents would have a long counseling session with their kids, and some have in the past, threatened their kids with dis-inheritance.

Many Conservatives don't even know the real story behind the label... and they blind themselves to the fact every Republican so called Conservative has either crashed the economy, drove up interest rates, ripped off the stock market and stagnated wages and busted the budget and expanded the national debt. Now, there is absolutely NOTHING Fiscally Conservative about any of that.

Even many who claim themselves liberal, if you note they go silent, because sadly some are all for Liberal Policy, until they fear loosing elements of "white privilege" or they fear that it will cause them to dig deep down and abandon the unspoken concept of white superior concepts. some speak out in words, other use silence and silence at particular time, screams far louder than those who many speak a few slap stick words of denial, deflecting and bias and etc.

Go to any post that is about "drama spin" and both the Liberal, Libertarians, Independent and the Republicans flock to it, to play battle each other for a ego "one up" and they will make a 100 pages of that spin.
it never even dawns on their minds to address post that actually speak of the dynamics of the American social and ideologies behind it. it would never cross their mind to share links to engage expanded dialog about anything.

Weakness shows when belligerence leads... and fear shows when contempt blocks the mind from exploring the engage of fact finding and discovery. because they are afraid they may have to learn to change... and that would purely "burst their bubble of confabulated folklore...

I don't think most military types have the hang ups civilians do. It could be in the training or it could be a result of experience and the feeling of family. Even retired, you're still part of the military family. I know of no one who asked the solider who had your back what race or religion he was. Just knowing your back was protected was enough. The trust was there. We are all comrades in arms, brothers and sisters in uniform. Very simple.

I don't think I'll ever understand why and how civilians make race and religion such big things.

 

[RealityNow]

I don't think most military types have the hang ups civilians do. It could be in the training or it could be a result of experience and the feeling of family. Even retired, you're still part of the military family. I know of no one who asked the solider who had your back what race or religion he was. Just knowing your back was protected was enough. The trust was there. We are all comrades in arms, brothers and sisters in uniform. Very simple.

I don't think I'll ever understand why and how civilians make race and religion such big things.

I appreciate finally engaging with someone who contributes to dialog rather than just one liner slap stick deflection, denial and attack agenda.

You are correct in what you say, All the way back to World War II, when Roosevelt desegregated the Military, and there were still black regiments, but things like the Tuskegee Airmen, who became the requested escort for the Bombers, that did a great deal to change dynamics, and during Vietnam and Post Vietnam, racism in the military declined tremendously.

The enactment of Executive Order 9981 not only desegregated the U.S. military but paved the way for the civil rights movement as well. Before the order went into effect, African-Americans had a long history of military service. They fought in World War II for what President Franklin Roosevelt called the "four essential human freedoms," even though they faced segregation, racial violence and lack of voting rights at home.

When the United States and the rest of the world discovered the full extent of Nazi Germany's genocidal plan against Jews, white Americans became more willing to examine their own country's racism. Meanwhile, returning African-American veterans became determined to root out injustice in the United States. In this context, the desegregation of the military took place in 1948.

I appreciate engaging with people who like to think and see the nature of change and understand that diversity is what has always made America the unique nation that it is, and it will be the element that moves this nation forward into the 21st Century.

I think this Pandemic as tragic as it is !!!!, has brought a change in the big picture which always had to come about in some way, and you made reference to the tectonic plates shifting, this is a tectonic shift in society, and people simply need to step back and see it. Nothing will go back to what it was...

The people on the front line in the Medical Profession are a mixtures of people from every part of the world, all working to save lives and toward a common goal, this pandemic has ushered in a new paradigm in how people "view jobs types", where jobs that once were given no respect are today, seen as essential and given the respectful acknowledgment that it should have had decades upon decades ago.
NOW,, America has and is learning through this Pandemic, to come to realize how important "All" Jobs are ... and how important and how much respect must be given to the people who do all these various jobs. The same type of jobs that many once looked down upon, and even considered certain type of jobs were only for blacks and non white immigrants....

Today.. it is no longer such a thing, because change has come to not only America, but across the world, and it will change more in the next years that unfold. Today, more white men now cut grass, since the development of riding mowers, than ever in American history, and some have abandoned the once promoted university degree, and become men, driving in trucks pulling a trailer loaded with lawn equipment. These were once jobs that were relegated to Blacks, Mexican and Japanese... Now, there are far less Japanese who do these jobs, but there are many more whites who compete for these jobs.

 

[RealityNow]

I don't think most military types have the hang ups civilians do. It could be in the training or it could be a result of experience and the feeling of family. Even retired, you're still part of the military family. I know of no one who asked the solider who had your back what race or religion he was. Just knowing your back was protected was enough. The trust was there. We are all comrades in arms, brothers and sisters in uniform. Very simple.

I don't think I'll ever understand why and how civilians make race and religion such big things.

You said: I don't think I'll ever understand why and how civilians make race and religion such big things

It's a Great Disrespect for The Declaration of Independence and a Disgraceful Disregard for the Principles and Values of The Preamble, and a Bastardized Concept of The Constitution. And that can be traced back to the creation of Slavery, as well as the elements of the Creation of the Confederacy, which attacked the United States in a Treasonous Act to promote States Rights in effort to Usurp Federal Governance, for the sake of trying to retain "Slavery" and stand against taxation being utilized to "Serve all people of America". People who want not to respect the Equality of Rights of Non Whites and Women, and utilize Poor Whites as a Public Conflict Generation Mass... to cover over the fact of society being fleeced by the well to do and the wealthy.

Again,

I say, read the MLK's Speech at Selma, it was a remarkable speech.

Toward the end of the Reconstruction era, something very significant happened. (Listen to him) That is what was known as the Populist Movement. (Speak, sir) The leaders of this movement began awakening the poor white masses (Yes, sir) and the former Negro slaves to the fact that they were being fleeced by the emerging Bourbon interests. Not only that, but they began uniting the Negro and white masses (Yeah) into a voting bloc that threatened to drive the Bourbon interests from the command posts of political power in the South.

To meet this threat, the southern aristocracy began immediately to engineer this development of a segregated society. (Right) I want you to follow me through here because this is very important to see the roots of racism and the denial of the right to vote. Through their control of mass media, they revised the doctrine of white supremacy. They saturated the thinking of the poor white masses with it, (Yes) thus clouding their minds to the real issue involved in the Populist Movement. They then directed the placement on the books of the South of laws that made it a crime for Negroes and whites to come together as equals at any level. (Yes, sir) And that did it. That crippled and eventually destroyed the Populist Movement of the nineteenth century.

Or one can go and read elements of Fredrick Douglas many Orations.

Slavery, as described by Frederick Douglass in Narrative of the Life, is wrong because it withholds a human’s basic desire for knowledge. People, regardless of race, have the right to Life, Liberty and Happiness and within that is the quest for knowledge and when this is hindered, a human is thrown into a state of mental darkness in which they become subhuman. Through this state, a human is molded into a mindless slave capable of no thoughts other than to serve his master. Refusing the right of knowledge and the pursuit of it is inherently wrong as stated by the Declaration of Independence.

In this important historical document it is said that, “all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness” (US 1776). All men implies men of color as well as white men. Slaves, therefore, have the right to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. In the pursuit of Happiness there is the natural inclination towards education, which, in the insane system that is slavery, is repressed by the slave owner to ensure a more dehumanized slave.

 

[Perotista]

I appreciate finally engaging with someone who contributes to dialog rather than just one liner slap stick deflection, denial and attack agenda.

You are correct in what you say, All the way back to World War II, when Roosevelt desegregated the Military, and there were still black regiments, but things like the Tuskegee Airmen, who became the requested escort for the Bombers, that did a great deal to change dynamics, and during Vietnam and Post Vietnam, racism in the military declined tremendously.


I appreciate engaging with people who like to think and see the nature of change and understand that diversity is what has always made America the unique nation that it is, and it will be the element that moves this nation forward into the 21st Century.

I think this Pandemic as tragic as it is !!!!, has brought a change in the big picture which always had to come about in some way, and you made reference to the tectonic plates shifting, this is a tectonic shift in society, and people simply need to step back and see it. Nothing will go back to what it was...

The people on the front line in the Medical Profession are a mixtures of people from every part of the world, all working to save lives and toward a common goal, this pandemic has ushered in a new paradigm in how people "view jobs types", where jobs that once were given no respect are today, seen as essential and given the respectful acknowledgment that it should have had decades upon decades ago.
NOW,, America has and is learning through this Pandemic, to come to realize how important "All" Jobs are ... and how important and how much respect must be given to the people who do all these various jobs. The same type of jobs that many once looked down upon, and even considered certain type of jobs were only for blacks and non white immigrants....

Today.. it is no longer such a thing, because change has come to not only America, but across the world, and it will change more in the next years that unfold. Today, more white men now cut grass, since the development of riding mowers, than ever in American history, and some have abandoned the once promoted university degree, and become men, driving in trucks pulling a trailer loaded with lawn equipment. These were once jobs that were relegated to Blacks, Mexican and Japanese... Now, there are far less Japanese who do these jobs, but there are many more whites who compete for these jobs.

Come to think of it, yes, it is mostly whites that do the lawn care around here. I never really thought about that. Construction of homes, roof repair and the like are mostly Hispanic, from Mexico or Central America. Everyone has their way of contributing.

I agree, I also don't think the U.S. will be the same place as prior to the Pandemic. That could be the entire world, time will tell. My son-in-law works as a nurse at the county hospital. Believe it or not, the hospital has cut back on personnel and lowered hours the medical personnel work. That's due to people being afraid to go to routine medical service at the hospital and in doctor's offices. He told me the emergency room is now see only a third of the amount of patients now than prior to the pandemic. People are afraid to go to get medical attention due to the fear of catching the virus. At least according to him.

Now that leaves me wondering about the over health of folks. They putting off visits to hospitals and doctors offices for normal medical services. Instead trying to treat everything at home.

 

[RealityNow]

Come to think of it, yes, it is mostly whites that do the lawn care around here. I never really thought about that. Construction of homes, roof repair and the like are mostly Hispanic, from Mexico or Central America. Everyone has their way of contributing.

I agree, I also don't think the U.S. will be the same place as prior to the Pandemic. That could be the entire world, time will tell. My son-in-law works as a nurse at the county hospital. Believe it or not, the hospital has cut back on personnel and lowered hours the medical personnel work. That's due to people being afraid to go to routine medical service at the hospital and in doctor's offices. He told me the emergency room is now see only a third of the amount of patients now than prior to the pandemic. People are afraid to go to get medical attention due to the fear of catching the virus. At least according to him.

Now that leaves me wondering about the over health of folks. They putting off visits to hospitals and doctors offices for normal medical services. Instead trying to treat everything at home.

There are many signs of change, as there are jobs that many white men would not have taken decades ago and in some cases even in the past decade, but now they seek those jobs, there's still areas they don't pursue so much such as Janitorial and Garbage Collection and etc... but the dynamic will change as it relates to these type jobs, because they will change and within these jobs the respect for them and the pay will change. It won't just be a job people think of as things black people or brown skin people do.

In many of the poor white areas, who use to find jobs in a variety of family and friends and associates repair shops are no longer available, because many of those shops no longer exist, and in some repair and tech jobs, women occupy more and more of those slots... and the interesting thing is, "women take those jobs serious and strive to be good at it"...
The over paid executive roles will diminish, because data system show they are not what they use to be, and it also means data shows today, that many people did not know what the heck they were doing anyway in some regard, they just sold things they did not understand, and many did not understand the responsibility the industry and business has to the community in which it exist. All that is changing... PEOPLE are getting wiser to RE-LEARN that these type of business that existed in communities DID HAVE an obligation within that community to ensure a % of their needs were provided by the that community, not just labor but parts, and services and other attributes that helped business grow.

There are regulations that involve the use of Federal Funds, which stipulate a % factor of products that must be American Made if those funds are use for projects, and development, including construction. Greed and Greed influenced political figured, allowed that to be circumvented; That is about to change... and people need to know... IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TRUMP!!

If anything its to do with the Pandemic exposing the deficiency in America, that Obama talked about more than a Decade Ago, when he said, RE- INVEST IN AMERICA, and Republican twisted it as if it mean someone was trying to take from the wealthy... So people parked their money "offshore"... which was a disaster. Trump gave them $a Trillion dollar tax cut that is listed as Permanent, with a pretense they would just voluntary bring that money back. All they did was buy up their own companies stock, pay bonuses and still stashed money off shores and built up their offshore operations. He did not put the Controls, in that said... You Only Get A Tax Cut, based on what you Re-Invest In America. Its about as sad and pathetic as during the Bush Administration when they wanted to give the Banks and Insurance Companies the more than $750 Billion with NO STRINGS ATTACHED. Obama shut that stupidity down, and made them put up and face up to regulatory controls and to repay that money back to the American People. He put controls on the Banks that required "Stress Test' to keep them from wild and crazy gambling with no concept of respecting what is Reserves. Trump is trying to destroy that!! Except, Obama's Administration put checks within the Control, where when they go to destroy one part, something else kicks in to prevent them from simply doing so. He did the same thing with ACA... because he knew if he had not Republicans would have destroyed any and every aspect they could... But when they try and destroy one part, another part kicks in to replace and back up what they try to destroy.

This is much of why they hate Obama, because he was smart enough to know what their game and agenda would be if and when they got chance to try it.

 

[RealityNow]

As to the Medical... People already have "digital Blood Pressure Meters, and hand held Glucose Meters, the next generation of these units will be 'Bluetooth enabled, where they can send that info through ones phone to the doctors office, or through their computer... so... instead of a doctor spending 33 seconds playing with a stereoscope, that too can be Bluetooth enables, and put a few sensor tabs on the body and send the reading back. Now, taking blood samples may be a challenges, but someone will figure that out too for those who are able to do it, or they may have 'easy stop places where people can go to give a sample"...
Between Video programs, people can communicate many things rather than sitting in a office full of people, waiting on the doctors to come in and spend the customary 4.5 minutes and charge nearly $200 ... and requires the patient to pay 25-30 co pay while he bills the Insurance Company $15-170+ for a a Basic Office Visit. I just went this week, I asked the lady there, how much was an Office Visit, she told me they had 5 (Five) levels of fees, that range from $125- $250... (That's a lot of money, for a doctor to spend 4.5 minutes with a patient.)

I've written in other commentary, about the need for "Testing Units Facilities" that have "multiple MRI Machines, Multiple Ultra Sound, and Multiple CT Scan Units' and take this monopoly "away from Hospitals'.... Then these things can be set up and Large and Small Cities and Rural Towns All Across America. It will create Jobs for the people to build these units, and jobs for the people to staff these "testing facilities'... and this can be handled by "Nurse Practitioner"... and they can coordinate with Doctors via Digital communication, because with Cloud Technology, they can both be looking at the same results.

Time is proving to become where doctors will have to "respect what they say"... when they tell people, that "everyone is different" yet when they prescribe drugs, they use a generic format related to "dosage'.. they will have to have technology, that can do chemical analysis of each person, via blood, urine or something, and find out "how to prescribe dosage, based on the unique results for the unique individual". Then we can stop "OVER MEDICATING PEOPLE"....

I don't particular care for "Network Doctors" and "Network Medical Organizations", they have a unspoken policy but well known among the participating Medical Staff, to "cycle people through their various clinic's, and each one has a "independent billing system" .... The doctor last week ask me about a list of test, I told him, No ... I get those test at the VA... and then he'd come up with another type and say maybe we can do this , I said no... I can get that at the VA also.

I only go to him, basically as a second opinion, or if I need something minor checked, other wise I go to the VA... I have Private Insurance, and the VA can bill it, and they do, even if you don't tell them you have it, they have a system that scrubs the insurance data bases to know what you have and they attach it to your record.
I trust the VA, because they will do what what needs to be done, without spinning and playing "let me check with insurance first'... I send my request through Secure Messaging, so I have a record, of when I requested something and when it was performed and/or delivered.

After this COVID-19 it has awaken society to the fact that it can no longer "ignore" the health of working poor and poor black and working poor and poor white people. This situation of Pandemic has shown them, the results of such neglect and under-servicing of people. We will get "Universal Health Care" and it will have many variables that will be brought together over the next 4-5 yrs... to make it a sound Program...
Obama said such when ACA was created, he said, over the coming years, it was to be "built upon" because it was a First Step in the process. If Republican had not fought it for so long, it would be at a far advanced level of doing what it was designed to do. Now... Republican will have to fight the entire public to try and destroy it.

People REJECTED that "Republican Program of Let's Kill and Let Die A Mass of People and Fleece the Young".... People saw right through it and Rejected it.

 

[RealityNow]

If you notice all the regulars avoid this thread, because it does not give them a platform to come and play their "ego game" of "one up" and slinging slap stick... that includes many of those who claim to be Liberal Minded as well as the Conservative Minded.

See truth makes those who don't want to indulge the details of truth... flee... and in doing so, they defeat themselves with aims to avoid, deny, deflect and bemuse into spins of confusions... All the while the Truth will always be the Truth that it is.

What is truly sad is... so much is showing that people are not as intellectual in civics as some assumed, they just bought the script of Media promoted biases....
The younger generations not only seek out information, they seek out the background references to grasp the foundations of how things got so twisted. They will correct it... because their future depends upon it.

Many no longer dream of a house with a white picket fence in a sterile environment, that tries to sanitize away reality and promote the censorship of human individuality. They are not chasing the delusions of the 1950-1960's Stepford Wives type of Clone Scripting relationships.

They want values, but those values have to be based in respecting the diversity of others, and reshaping cultural society is the blending of cultures, which is what America has always done... But, the young don't want the 'white only culture ideal"... but the diversity built cultural ideals" that embrace everyone.

No one is pursuing the old promoted concept that people mold themselves based on white imagery and white concepts... which was always fiction, because in every state, people have different cultural norms they engaged... so it was always a fallacy for white people to delude themselves as if there was one way white people lived.

There was a time when Rural Whites, even with the various ways various Rural people developed their communities, they can no longer afford the ignorance of racial bias and being adverse toward immigrants from various countries.

Republicanism as it exist today... is not designed to deal with the future... it is wrapped into trying to recreate the past... based on "confabulated concepts'....

 

[RealityNow]

Looking to the Future, Public Sees an America in Decline on Many Fronts
Americans are narrowly hopeful about the future of the United States over the next 30 years but more pessimistic when the focus turns to specific issues, including this country’s place in the world, the cost of health care and the strength of the U.S. economy.

Overall, six-in-ten adults predict that that the U.S. will be less important in the world in 2050. While most key demographic groups share this view, it is more widely held by whites and those with more education. About two-thirds of whites (65%) forecast a diminished role in the world for the U.S. in 30 years, a view shared by 48% of blacks and Hispanics. Roughly seven-in-ten adults with a bachelor’s or higher degree (69%) see a lesser role internationally for America. By contrast, six-in-ten of those with some college education (but no bachelor’s degree) and 52% of those with less education are as pessimistic about the country’s future world stature.

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Underlying many of these and other findings are deep divisions along the traditional fault lines of American life, including race, age and education. However, among the more striking differences found in this survey are those between Republicans and Democrats. Taken together, the size and frequency of these differences underscore the extent to which partisan polarization underpins not just the current political climate but views of the future as well.


Across a range of issues, the difference between partisans is not merely apparent, but conspicuously large. Despite shared concern about the future quality of the nation’s public schools, about two-thirds of Democrats and those who lean Democratic (66%), but only 36% of Republicans and Republican leaners, rate increased spending on education as a top federal government priority. About six-in-ten Democrats (58%) but only 19% of Republicans say the news media will have a positive impact on solving the country’s future problems. About four-in-ten Democrats (42%) say a majority-nonwhite population will strengthen American customs and values, a view expressed by only 13% of Republicans. Similarly, about six-in-ten Democrats (61%) but just a third of Republicans consider the growth of interracial marriage to be a good thing for society. Partisan gaps on future priorities reflect similar gaps in current policy priorities. Recent research has shown that Republicans and Democrats have moved farther apart in recent decades in their views on what the top priorities for Congress and the president should be.

Republicans limited concerns for investing in Educations, goes all the way back to the ideals promoted to prolong and sustain slavery, as in thinking of ways to deprive black (minorities) people of education. (it also limited the access to higher educations for poor whites, to ensure they remain "cheap labor" and can be used to promote racial strife in civic environments, and focus on a savage form of competitiveness that helped keep wages low, and try and keep blacks our of the opportunity circle, rather than knowing the power of "unity among people"..


Fredrick Douglas: Goes on to restate a conversation between his master and mistress: “Learning would spoil the best negro in the world. Now, if you teach that negro…how to read, there would be no keeping him. It would forever unfit him to be a slave. He would become unmanageable, and of no value to his master.

Knowledge is dangerous in any form; it was feared to cause a slave to question authority and the entire slave institution. Intelligence enlightens slaves of the evils of slavery and that has a spiraling effect as such information would not be kept to one's self. Knowledge edifies enslaved men and women of their quality of life and to distinguish themselves as human beings rather than property. Slave owners would deprive their slaves of basic education in hopes of a decreased chance of rebellion and in contrast, a slave would need education to be liberated. Acquiring knowledge was far more powerful than any weapon. We see this idea throughout Douglass' narrative as Douglass was able to liberate himself through education.

Democrats have a far more positive outlook for the future.... Contrast that with Republicans, who would like to keep the old system as status quo where white majority exist.

Fact is, the Nation and many places in the world, will be more diverse and more inter-racially intermixed as the future unfold... and people deal with each other as "Simply Person, as Individual", without concerns about race and ethnicity.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

I've written many post on the DESPERATE NEED FOR CIVICS EDUCATION.... Civic's educated was damaged severely after the 1964 Civil Rights Act, and it took a tremendous blow, during and after President Nixon's Ouster.
People vote based on "TV Advertisements" and "Punditry" most have no idea what the issues are until they are buried behind the results of bills and measures that devastate them.
Then they get hung up in "bluster and blame", belligerence and attacks... and never stop to "self review" and acknowledge they are themselves the make up of the blame for the conditions, and deterioration of our systems.

Most of these Republican who go by Conservative, as well as some of these Democrats who claim to be Liberals, don't know what the post are speaking about... if they did, they'd have background info to contribute.
Many come to this site to play... "One Up's on each other" with slap stick for the vanity of ego elation... I've seen over and over the string of "one liner's" and some can't even make a 50 alphabet one liner... they just utter anything of 'slap stick' that use to get them by in life... and it no longer works, so they get deeply anguished when they utter it, and their first thought is "grab a gun" scream about the Second Amendment.... and a litany of 'idiotic babbles" that make absolutely no relevant sense to anything, other than to identify their insidiousness... of which... they are unaware even it making such a declaration about them by their own utterances.

That's why I ask ... why would such types run to a site that has the word "Debate" in is... but the interesting thing is how a mass number of people stay away from the site for the very fact it has the word "Debate"... and seek out site known for more memberships, spinning drama and one liner slap stick...

America has to change or it will falter further... because the overt levels of generalized ignorance has insulted and embarrassed this nation on a Grand Scale..... Globally!!!

While I don’t quite take it to such hyperbolic levels I understand the import of the issue we’re discussing.

There is a grievous set of circumstances pervading. It’s either of natural origins and being taken advantage of by greedy opportunists, or worse, placed in motion by those opportunists making them smart as well as opportunistic and greedy.

My take on this is that we’ve seen it before. The post Civil War industrial giants consolidating power in their oligarchical activities. Rockefeller, Ford, Melon, Vanderbilt, et al, The Tea Pot Dome scandal along the way, the Great Depression the result of their greed (and even that they profited from), the responses of rising nationalism and fascism in response that led to WW2.

We’ve seen this movie before. It’s just long enough ago that no one but the history buffs are calling it out yet.

It’s all preventable. All it would take is an electorate that comes to terms with the idea that it’s not the tribe that holds power that’s most important. Both major parties are owned by special (oligarchical) interests. It’s the quality of the character of the people we elect that counts above all else.

Honest, incorruptible, people of good character who will work toward good ends.

Unfortunately the two majors have a “good ol’ boy” vetting system whose litmus test is greater involvement in the very corruption we need to go away before being allowed to reach for higher rungs on the ladder. So these people of good character aren’t likely to be coming from their hierarchies. They are already deeply corrupted themselves. They’d have to be to get that high up the scale.

Independents or less co-opted third parties, but what are currently the odds of that if the electorate isn’t educated to the nature of what is necessary to fix the problems first, thus capable of the critical thinking required to work the problems through to a successful end result.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

There is so much 'you don't know" because your source of information is from the same apparatus that program you guys to be and accept defeating self and worshiping the wealthy, while being stripped clean on a repeated cycle. Every Gain people make during a Democratic Administration, Republican come in and set policy that strips it away...

You’re moving in the right direction... right up to this.

You’re presuming the same folks smart enough to either take advantage of our natural tribal instincts (or worse yet, the creators of them) were foolish enough to have this huge string left dangling about to be pulled on.

The likely fact is the Democratic Party is as fully corrupted by oligarchical influence as the Republican Party. That this political Passion Play is great theatre but it doesn’t serve us. It keeps the electorate busy doing “my tribe is better than yours” nonsense while the monied corrupters do pretty much what they want in the fog it creates to cover their profitable mischief making.

The vetted within the two major parties own corrupted hierarchies litmus tests aren’t going to produce the candidates of good and honest will we need to resolve our issues. The electorate needs to turn to solid thinking (not national, not fascist, not socialist, but Constitutional Republic thinking) individuals whose allegiance is to the electorate and good governing, not their political parties and those who own them.

 

[RealityNow]

While I don’t quite take it to such hyperbolic levels I understand the import of the issue we’re discussing.

There is a grievous set of circumstances pervading. It’s either of natural origins and being taken advantage of by greedy opportunists, or worse, placed in motion by those opportunists making them smart as well as opportunistic and greedy.

My take on this is that we’ve seen it before. The post Civil War industrial giants consolidating power in their oligarchical activities. Rockefeller, Ford, Melon, Vanderbilt, et al, The Tea Pot Dome scandal along the way, the Great Depression the result of their greed (and even that they profited from), the responses of rising nationalism and fascism in response that led to WW2.

We’ve seen this movie before. It’s just long enough ago that no one but the history buffs are calling it out yet.

It’s all preventable. All it would take is an electorate that comes to terms with the idea that it’s not the tribe that holds power that’s most important. Both major parties are owned by special (oligarchical) interests. It’s the quality of the character of the people we elect that counts above all else.

Honest, incorruptible, people of good character who will work toward good ends.

Unfortunately the two majors have a “good ol’ boy” vetting system whose litmus test is greater involvement in the very corruption we need to go away before being allowed to reach for higher rungs on the ladder. So these people of good character aren’t likely to be coming from their hierarchies. They are already deeply corrupted themselves. They’d have to be to get that high up the scale.

Independents or less co-opted third parties, but what are currently the odds of that if the electorate isn’t educated to the nature of what is necessary to fix the problems first, thus capable of the critical thinking required to work the problems through to a successful end result.

This is what I consider as >"VERY IMPORTANT":

I think we need BETTER CIVICS EDUCATED SOCIETY... The old ways that the information was taught about THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE,, has a slant to it, during the long history it was bastardized by race and economics, it led to the selective bastardization of THE PREAMBLE, and that led to selective bias discernment in how THE CONSTITUTION was interpreted... and that led to the bias bastardization of the LEGAL SYSTEM interpretations, which continues to be bias based on race and economics...

Those biases and bastardization has created a system where "THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE" can be bought away, denied the benefits values the The Preamble stated, and have manipulative bastardization of The Constitutional Principles, and that has allowed perversions of The Laws.

Republican or Democrat, Independent or any other 'SHOULD BE FOR THE "Spirit of The Documents" to live True!! NO BIAS, NO BIGOTRY AND NO PREJUDICE against Race, Skin Tone, Hair Texture, Eye Color, Monetary Status, Country of Origin, Ethnicity, Cultural Habit, Religion, or any of the stuff that is utilized to promote divisiveness.

To Reach That!! FULL AND EQUAL ACCESS TO EDUCATION is necessary..

 

[Integrityrespec]

It's Time For American Democracy Loving Citizens, to AWAKEN, and see the "Undermining of America Democracy" by Republican Conservative Right Wing Confederacy Agenda.

2020 - Vote - Democrat - and let's Restore The Integrity Unto and Into American Democracy, and get back to Respecting the Principles of the Declaration of Independence and the great nations it outlined in and of its design for America. "Equality of Person as Individual"....



We've seen incessant attacks on the Media, as if it was a remake of "Hitler's Program" of discredit the Media and try and confound and confuse the people... while Trump feeds them spin and deflections....

Look at acts by the forces of malice, of any sort and disregard for policy and with no regard for procedures.... People seem to have forgotten the firing of missiles in the sand, as a grand distraction, which saw a desecration of process in how Gorsuch was placed on the Supreme Court.

Some have outlined long list of the Republican and Trump Abuses... and we can go all the way back to McConnell and the Republican Pledge to Oppose Anything and Everything Obama did... to the Tea Part Shutting down the Government, and Trump again Shutting down the Government. "The Authoritarian Agenda fully at work' each time. Then we see the massive Tax Give Away to the Wealthy, while Infrastructure Crumbles and Nations Debt is blow up astronomically, and no infrastructure, and no health care. People seem to forget the " Killer Program" Republican promoted which would have decimated the senior citizen population, and damaged the working poor, and then on to the disregard for the Environment, and the bills set to law to rape the lands resources and risk environmental damages simply to promote access for the greed of a few.

Now, Trump wants to rush America's kids into mass public schools and decimate the future population... because the wealthy will go to private schools that have every protective measure that can be put in place. They see, as Betsy DeVos has show, they consider public schools a drain away of money from the wealthy, and they'd like nothing more than to destroy anything that provides government supported public services and assistance to the general public.

A Time To Awaken!!! "When Republicans use the term "Deep State", they are Describing Their Own Agenda -[/QUOTE]

How long it take you to dream up this stuff?

 

[RealityNow]

To Reach That!! FULL AND EQUAL ACCESS TO EDUCATION is necessary..

Remember:

Fredrick Douglas: Goes on to restate a conversation between his master and mistress: “Learning would spoil the best negro in the world. Now, if you teach that negro…how to read, there would be no keeping him. It would forever unfit him to be a slave. He would become unmanageable, and of no value to his master.

Knowledge is dangerous in any form; it was feared to cause a slave to question authority and the entire slave institution. Intelligence enlightens slaves of the evils of slavery and that has a spiraling effect as such information would not be kept to one's self. Knowledge edifies enslaved men and women of their quality of life and to distinguish themselves as human beings rather than property. Slave owners would deprive their slaves of basic education in hopes of a decreased chance of rebellion and in contrast, a slave would need education to be liberated. Acquiring knowledge was far more powerful than any weapon. We see this idea throughout Douglass' narrative as Douglass was able to liberate himself through education.

It was not just slaves that were uneducated, it was a mass from European Immigrants who came "uneducated", they were seen as "cheap labor" and used as such by indentured servitude, share-cropping, relegated to fields and mines, with no concern for providing quality education, because it means they would want "parity within society" and "equilibrium within wages" and they would then know their political civic and civic rights.
This stuff did not happen by accident and the repercussion of it still exist today all across this country.

Ronald Reagan made sure to block the pathway to Higher Education for working poor, dire poor whites, working poor and dire poor minorities as much as he could... by pricing education out of reach as part of the promotion to keep "wages low" and maintain a un-educated and under educated service class in the the equation of holding on to ideals of the past. .

There are people living in dire conditions as if its parallel to the 1920's Poor Society. Lyndon B. Johnson, recognized it, and his War On Poverty, gave the masses benefits, programs and services and civic and civil mandates for humane equality of person, as individual, that meet with their rights as Americans.

The system fought him by any and every means and promoted any and every kind of distraction they could imagine to conjure.. and then by the time he had addressed Voting and Immigration, the White Society, of Former Southern Dixiecrat and Northern Supporters of Dixiecrat Ideals, amassed themselves and took their agenda to the Republican Party, inspired by Barry Goldwater, and furthered by Richard Nixon, and Sealed in Stone by Ronald Reagan.

 

[RealityNow]

A Time To Awaken!!! "When Republicans use the term "Deep State", they are Describing Their Own Agenda -

How long it take you to dream up this stuff?

If you invested in actually research and open minded reading ... you'd not have asked such a question...

 

[RealityNow]

You’re moving in the right direction... right up to this.

You’re presuming the same folks smart enough to either take advantage of our natural tribal instincts (or worse yet, the creators of them) were foolish enough to have this huge string left dangling about to be pulled on.

The likely fact is the Democratic Party is as fully corrupted by oligarchical influence as the Republican Party. That this political Passion Play is great theatre but it doesn’t serve us. It keeps the electorate busy doing “my tribe is better than yours” nonsense while the monied corrupters do pretty much what they want in the fog it creates to cover their profitable mischief making.

The vetted within the two major parties own corrupted hierarchies litmus tests aren’t going to produce the candidates of good and honest will we need to resolve our issues. The electorate needs to turn to solid thinking (not national, not fascist, not socialist, but Constitutional Republic thinking) individuals whose allegiance is to the electorate and good governing, not their political parties and those who own them.

I deal with the principles of the Platform ... and if one look at both platforms and understanding the principles of the Founding Documents, then its not difficult to know which party to support.

It's up to US, THE PEOPLE, Each Person, as Individual; to hold them accountable, and we have "One Person, One Vote".... we can choose to support "Federal Campaign Financing" and stop the process of Lobbyist BUYING AWAY OUR VOICE OF VOTE.
We can learn issues and not go for "Drama Games of Campaign Media Advertisements"... something the media loves for the profit angle, and learn how to discern what we hear... and not get hung up on or within and led by "Mud Slinging Contest" as the means to make a decision of how we cast a vote.

When it comes to Congressional Bills...

We can develop "Watch Dog Panels' to Review Bills BEFORE they go to the Floor for Congressional VOTE...

What we do know for a fact, is the average person, HAS ABSOLUTELY NOT IDEA what is within Bills, that get voted on by Congress, most people would not even know enough about the Civics and Civil responsibilities to discern what is not good and what is detrimental when bills are passed.

WE... allow Bills to get COLLUDED AND LOADED with things not relevant to the Base Nature of the Bill. Anything that is included in a Bill, SHOULD have a "direct relationship" to the bill, if it has an abatract relations, then it MUST point to a Bill that has reference and relations to the Base Nature of The Bill that it is such language is being inserted within.

This is how we loose, "When people ACCEPT how Civic and Political Uneducated, we are.. then we will be on the pathway to become "Education on Civic, Civil and the Poilitical Matters that Process it.

No one can become educated on what they deny they need education upon. inherently people don't want to appear "ignorant", so they pretend to know what they don't know.. but when one accepts what they are "ignorant unto" (uninformed about, have lack of knowledge of) THEN AND ONLY THEN ...can they accept pursuing and gaining Education so they can have knowledge and enable them to make "informed decisions".

General Society, is relatively "ignorant"... (We as a society need to understand what that means)
people kill each other every day because of it... "arguing about a point of view", when if they each knew the facts and factors, there'd be no argument.. they be working to build upon their shared understandings. Instead, they "kill each other" and this happens between husband and wive, friends and neighbors, friends and associates, girlfriend and boyfriend and any other format of social interchange situations.

 

[RealityNow]

While I don’t quite take it to such hyperbolic levels I understand the import of the issue we’re discussing.

There is a grievous set of circumstances pervading. It’s either of natural origins and being taken advantage of by greedy opportunists, or worse, placed in motion by those opportunists making them smart as well as opportunistic and greedy.

My take on this is that we’ve seen it before. The post Civil War industrial giants consolidating power in their oligarchical activities. Rockefeller, Ford, Melon, Vanderbilt, et al, The Tea Pot Dome scandal along the way, the Great Depression the result of their greed (and even that they profited from), the responses of rising nationalism and fascism in response that led to WW2.

We’ve seen this movie before. It’s just long enough ago that no one but the history buffs are calling it out yet.

It’s all preventable. All it would take is an electorate that comes to terms with the idea that it’s not the tribe that holds power that’s most important. Both major parties are owned by special (oligarchical) interests. It’s the quality of the character of the people we elect that counts above all else.

Honest, incorruptible, people of good character who will work toward good ends.

Unfortunately the two majors have a “good ol’ boy” vetting system whose litmus test is greater involvement in the very corruption we need to go away before being allowed to reach for higher rungs on the ladder. So these people of good character aren’t likely to be coming from their hierarchies. They are already deeply corrupted themselves. They’d have to be to get that high up the scale.

Independents or less co-opted third parties, but what are currently the odds of that if the electorate isn’t educated to the nature of what is necessary to fix the problems first, thus capable of the critical thinking required to work the problems through to a successful end result.

I agree with much of what you say ( related to"red" highlight) , but "Independent are not wholly Independent"... Some lean to the Right(Republican), some lean to the Left(Democratic), Centrist are not Different they lean as well... There are Right/Left Leaning Democrats, and Right/Left Leaning Republicans... SO, there a lot of "LEANING" going on. IT KEEPS THE PEOPLE, OFF BALANCE.

Maybe there should just be "A Party of Americans" but that can't happen until America is a Fully Civics Educated Society. To become that, it has to abandon race bias, monetary bias, gender bias, religious bias and cultural and ethnicity bias, and become a society that sheds the elements of 'Bigotry".

People may think many things about China... but there was a lesson to be learned. When they closed their doors for decades... They were able to bring very diverse Clans, into accepting themselves as "Simply Being Chinese"... Now, that has nothing to do with the form of Governance they chose.. It was about ... Commonality of Person as Individual, as being Chinese.

The Military use the same principle... Basic Training "Takes Away All The Divisive Things".... and by the time people finish Basic Training, "they accept themselves as being A Military Person.

We criticize so much of other nation that we fail to learn things that can be learned.

America is not going to "lock itself up" from the world as China did... but we should be "Intelligent Enough" to know, that we can achieve the commonality of being "AMERICANS" by EDUCATING PEOPLE to the CIVICS OF AMERICAN DEMOCRACY...

We need to look at what is happening in the world today... It has taken a Pandemic for some Countries in Nations to Talk. (Example, Many African Countries are "talking to each other" within the African Nation... in ways they could not and did not talk before)... If they are wise enough to build upon that, they can change the entire nation.

America has the luxury of "States" and now under the Pandemic, many States are Talking To Each Other and Supporting Each Other, in ways they had not made such efforts to do previously... it was "Every State For Itself".... That has engaged change, now its up to use the people to ensure those Governors "Build Upon That"... and do so with respect for our "Federal Governance"...

States have come to realize, the Divisiveness that Trump promotes, has awakened many States to the Value and Need to have a President that is the President for ALL PEOPLE AND ALL STATES...

We can come out of this Pandemic a better nation, but that won't show its results until 2020, when Trump and his Divisiveness is no longer in the seat of our Presidency.

 

[RealityNow]

People know the divisiveness that Trump promotes is not good for the nation, but people were so desperate for a "delusion that someone would make them economically uplifted" they bought into the delusion. The first thing he did was give a Tax Break to the Wealthy in the categories that he himself, "detest paying taxes"... and then gave the people a small pittance for a temporary period.

No other President has sat in the seat and been as OVERTLY Arrogant in Promoting Divisiveness in such aggressive terms that disregard every aspect of our Governance System. Nixon did some crooked stuff, and so did Reagan with his creation of promotions of Right Wing Media and the Right Wing Federalist Society to Fill the Court with Right Wing Judges... All of such which was not and is not good for the whole of America nor American People.

This Pandemic is far more that it appears, it has brought "change" but it also is bringing people to be aware of many things they once, ignored and accepted as just being what it is. That will no longer be the case.

America, as well as the world, will have to "Rebuild Models" for Business and Industry... Those who acknowledge and start early will find they build a place for themselves, those who lag and fight against modernization and Paradigm Shift in how they do business, will struggle and many will fall by the wayside.

Already, people are thinking of "creative ways to do things"... poor and working poor people are learning how to work together, but to be mutually supportive of each other in ways that won't loose the value of what they are learning.

The spread and fears of Death has a way of Awakening People, like nothing else can. Even when it comes to Religion, people are learning they can keep their belief in God and it does not required them to 'Empty their pockets in the Church basket"... Some are finding out by the death of some Pastors how wrongfully they led the people to ignore the wisdoms God gave into the world through the educations of people in the Medical and Science Fields.

Everything has to make change... Those who think things will just flip back to the way it was, are simply not paying attention. Yes, there will be some habitual things that will translate forward, but there will be many things that make changes and people will make the adjustments with those changes.

Currently, the rebellion of some is a commonality when people fear loosing something, and unaware of how to look for what they can gain with change. Sickness and Death has already found ways to awaken some who initially engaged and promoted disregard and rebellion... but the facing of devastated health, awakened them to the realism they tried to deny.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

To Reach That!! FULL AND EQUAL ACCESS TO EDUCATION is necessary..

You’re turning corruption issue into a race issue. It’s two separate problems.

The oligarchical money that’s purchasing government is mostly interested in profit. In general the only color they are interested in is green. Their main slants are cheap money, deregulation of business, and support for corporations over anything else. If it’s good for business it’s good governing.

The problem is that a lot of what is good for business isn’t good for people.

 

[RealityNow]

You’re turning corruption issue into a race issue. It’s two separate problems.

The oligarchical money that’s purchasing government is mostly interested in profit. In general the only color they are interested in is green. Their main slants are cheap money, deregulation of business, and support for corporations over anything else. If it’s good for business it’s good governing.

The problem is that a lot of what is good for business isn’t good for people.

America's history has been shaped by influences related to race for the very same reasons you just listed "Profit".... to the system, slavery was to them good for "business", and became "good for governing"... or there never would have been slavery, nor indentured servitude.. and we never would have needed Amendments to the Constitution to outlaw it.

There is nothing in America's history that can be separated from racial factors. nor from the Profit angle that race was engaged which led to the elements I've previously made commentary of and about.

Corruption has been part of the system.... you referenced it yourself when you commented to the Oligarch's which functioned under the label of 'Plantation Owners", they controlled the Governance along with the Industrialist. They placed people in office, to do their bidding to establish Governmental Policies.

Poor whites had no political power, they voted as they were told by the industrialist or the power broker plantation owners dictated for them to vote.

People forget that much was adopted from the British and French which existed on American soil before The Revolution which ultimately gave way to the Declaration of Independence. Many of those who grasp the power, were also slave owners or partners to the owners of indentured servants and industrialist. They also became part of the Governance Structure. All of the British Influential wealthy people did not pack up and leave after the Revolution.... there's a long convoluted history, even after the passage of the Declaration of Independence, which became considered to be for "white men only", because white men were the only ones acknowledge as Person, and only one acknowledged as person could vote.

The wealthy have been trying to create for themselves "a Faux" status based on wealthy to try and parallel what would emulate as much as possible a Royal Court of Power Brokers. American has long promoted fictions and placements of people as so called Family Dynasties, in Business, Industry and Governance.

 

[RealityNow]

America's history has been shaped by influences related to race for the very same reasons you just listed "Profit".... to the system, slavery was to them good for "business", and became "good for governing"... or there never would have been slavery, nor indentured servitude.. and we never would have needed Amendments to the Constitution to outlaw it.

There is nothing in America's history that can be separated from racial factors. nor from the Profit angle that race was engaged which led to the elements I've previously made commentary of and about.

Corruption has been part of the system.... you referenced it yourself when you commented to the Oligarch's which functioned under the label of 'Plantation Owners", they controlled the Governance along with the Industrialist. They placed people in office, to do their bidding to establish Governmental Policies.

Poor whites had no political power, they voted as they were told by the industrialist or the power broker plantation owners dictated for them to vote.

People forget that much was adopted from the British and French which existed on American soil before The Revolution which ultimately gave way to the Declaration of Independence. Many of those who grasp the power, were also slave owners or partners to the owners of indentured servants and industrialist. They also became part of the Governance Structure. All of the British Influential wealthy people did not pack up and leave after the Revolution.... there's a long convoluted history, even after the passage of the Declaration of Independence, which became considered to be for "white men only", because white men were the only ones acknowledge as Person, and only one acknowledged as person could vote.

The wealthy have been trying to create for themselves "a Faux" status based on wealthy to try and parallel what would emulate as much as possible a Royal Court of Power Brokers. American has long promoted fictions and placements of people as so called Family Dynasties, in Business, Industry and Governance.

The average person vote based on "publicity spin"... they don't know the details of "Policy Positions"... and many don't know the true essence of the values of American Democracy, most don't even know what the point and fact of "The Preamble's" purpose and function is. If they did, there would not be such a vile fight against everything for the public by the ideological motivations demonstrated by Republican Agenda, which puts "Business and Profit" ABOVE the respect for the people and the nation and the nations governance systems.

Today, with the Pandemic, when the Government is "Bailing Out Everything" and Giving Industry $Billions; you no longer hear Republicans crying and attacking Socialism, as long as it goes to the Business, because the Business and Industry does not promote them to call it Socialism... They simply see it as "the right thing to do"... but when the same is done to HELP PEOPLE... they call it Socialism with a negative slant when they use the word socialism.

That's the level of "Generalized and Willful Ignorance' that is promoted within and throughout the Conservative Mindset.... They are led by "Trigger Usage of Words", and they flip and flop by any means, to hold on to the core of the old system, which means and implies... that as long as nothing helps "blacks and poor whites and women", they are happy. Because that's what they have been taught for 100's of years... even when that teaching "devastates them", they are willing to accept being devastated, as long as it means denying something to minorities and women.

This is the level of "generalized and willful ignorance that has shaped MODERN DAY Republicanism". It's dangerous to "AMERICAN DEMOCRACY" - !!!!!!