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It's amazing how an election loss, even as big as this one, still doesn't put a dent in the thinking that lost it.

Serving one's country was never meant to be a lifelong career.
Why… not?

I mean I understand serving one’s country is about as alien a concept to a Trumpist as rocket science is to an amoeba but this is about as ludicrous a take as I can remember.
 
Poor Renee. I'm not sure why this poster didn't understand my point.



Darn right!


Thanks for all the work you have done here.

1. Maybe she didn’t know the timeframe of what was actually happening during your Great Grandfather & Great Grandmother Historic Timeframe!
Great Grandfather’s ~ Term of Office: 1/7/1913 to 1/4/1915

What was happening in 1913. A Great Historical Beginning was happening for Women!


“Women Marching in Suffrage Parade in Washington, DC” DATE ~ 3/3/1913

“In the second decade of the 20th century, suffragists began staging large and dramatic parades to draw attention to their cause. One of the most consequential demonstrations was a march held in Washington, DC, on March 3, 1913, the day before Woodrow Wilson’s first presidential inauguration. More than 5,000 suffragists from around the country paraded down Pennsylvania Avenue from the U.S. Capitol to the Treasury Building.”

“It set a precedent for future protest marches, but also brought controversy. According to the National American Woman Suffrage Association (NAWSA), all women and men were welcome to march. However, march organizer Alice Paul attempted to exclude black women from participating because she feared white women would not march alongside them. Ultimately NAWSA forced Paul to allow black women to join the procession. Some women of color – such as civil rights crusader Ida B. Wells-Barnett and lawyer Marie Louise Bottineau Baldwin, a member of the Turtle Mountain Band of Chippewa Indians – bucked the attempt to racially segregate the parade by walking alongside white women.”

“The rowdy, mostly-male crowd watching the parade pressed in on the demonstration, at times leaving barely enough room for the marchers to get by. Many women were verbally and physically assaulted while the police stood by either unwilling or unable to control the crowd. Outrage over the violence resulted in a Congressional investigation into the lack of police protection for the marchers and increased sympathy for woman suffrage.”

2. Yes! Darn Right! If, your Great Grandmother was just like you ~ She would have been ~ A Yes! Darn Right “Suffragette”!!!

3. You’re Welcome.
 
Longer term professional politicians have so many opportunities for graft and corruption.. Biden was in 50 years - not to single him out -all of DC is rife with corruption . Hunter built worldwide corrupt relationships that took care of his family under the radar for 50 years.
The corruption is so endemic it becomes a cultural norm for the 'elites'. Gravy train
 
LOL your insane rant just proved me right.

 
ShoeOnHead is a progressive/socialist Youtuber who actually gets it.

She's precisely the kind of smart and inciteful progressive who the Democrats inevitably drive away.

 
I read tonight that 60% of people under the age of thirty like Trump.

I mean, Trump's online persona is basically young internet trash talker who just happens to be 80 years old.
 
Here's another excellent explanation, from a British liberal (NSFW):

Here's an angrier excellent explanation from the same British liberal of Trump's 2016 win, (even more NSFW):

Watching both it's amazing how much of his complaint is glaringly apparent here.
 

From all the way across the pond, and he nails it! He's pretty damn objective and oh, what a way with words. I'm going to have to follow him now over on YouTube. He's comical, and brilliant. A great combination. Thank you for sharing.
 
From all the way across the pond, and he nails it! He's pretty damn objective and oh, what a way with words. I'm going to have to follow him now over on YouTube. He's comical, and brilliant. A great combination. Thank you for sharing.

I've posted this recently I think, but it amazing how well this nearly 50 year old speech from the movie NETWORK holds up. The screenplay written by Paddy Chayefsky just goes to prove there is nothing new.


(Also, NETWORK is the most amazing Political/Media satire ever put on film)
 

EPIC!!! It absolutely holds up!!!
 
If you haven't already, check out Hospital for another dose of Paddy Chayefsky's brilliant satire.
 
From all the way across the pond, and he nails it! He's pretty damn objective and oh, what a way with words. I'm going to have to follow him now over on YouTube. He's comical, and brilliant. A great combination. Thank you for sharing.
It is amazing how a snarky Brit 3000 miles away has such insight into why Kamala lost. The Harris campaign should be ashamed about the results. And the millions of people who voted for her still have no clue. And the despondent Liberals/Progressive are still serving up their petulant and totally irrelevant Trump barbs as if by putting them on this website is going to make the slightest difference in the world.
Given that she ran a losing campaign I am surprised she got 74.3 million popular votes.
People want to see Trump 'drain the swamp'; get rid of DEI in schools, corporations, the military, and the government; deport illegal aliens from this country (is the Denver mayor really that friggin' stupid?); use our energy resources to make us totally independent of foreign oil imports; and use Musk/Vivek to identify and get Trump to do away with unnecessary discretionary funding.
The majority of voters want all of the above to happen.
And the Left is still in disbelief those are the things the voting public want Trump to do!!
Why was that so hard for the Dems to see?
 
He had a better message and that's all there is to it.
The majority of voters want all of the above to happen.
Absolutely, but there's also a certain group of haughty denialists that think they KNOW what's best.
And the Left is still in disbelief those are the things the voting public want Trump to do!!
Why was that so hard for the Dems to see?
Arrogance is preventing some of the diehard anti-Trumps from admitting that they were wrong. Not all of the left is still in disbelief though, but on this forum, for the most part it's arrogance, pretending they're the smartest people in the room. They need to come down from their high horses.
 
You do know that it was Hillary Clinton's 2008 campaign that invented the entire birther scandal. Trump was just the only
guy with enough cred to force Obama to show it.
 
You mean maher?
 
The poster has a point

The Dems reaction to loosing is far more favorable than MAGAS running riot at the Capital. It's a part of MAGA history, one they would rather forget, understandable.
 
After three Trump elections, almost every traditional Democratic constituency has swung to the right. In fact, Mr. Trump has made larger gains among Black, Hispanic, Asian American and young voters in his three campaigns since 2016 than he has among white voters without a college degree, according to New York Times estimates. In each case, Mr. Trump fared better than any Republican in decades.

Groups that shifted toward Republicans


Race20122024NET SHIFT
BlackD +91

95 - 4
D +72

85 - 13
R +19
HispanicD +39

69 - 30
D +10

54 - 44
R +29
AsianD +35

67 - 32
D +18

58 - 40
R +17
OtherD +18

58 - 40
D +1

49 - 48
R +17

Race and Education
White, no degreeR +24

37 - 61
R +36

31 - 67
R +13
Nonwhite, BA+D +58

78 - 20
D +37

67 - 30
R +21
Nonwhite, no degreeD +64

82 - 17
D +27

63 - 35
R +37

Age
18 to 29D +25

61 - 36
D +11

54 - 43
R +14
30 to 44D +9

53 - 44
D +2

49 - 48
R +8
45 to 64R +1

49 - 50
R +9

45 - 54
R +8

How Democrats Lost Their Base and Their Message - The New York Times
New York Times estimates based on demographic data from the U.S. Census Bureau; polling from the Roper Center and New York Times/Siena College; and election results from The Associated Press and the Voting and Election Science Team.

Meh, I think it's more a case of the Democrat's message didn't align with their base' issues and concerns, i.e. Democrats out of touch with near people's concerns, and were foisting their concerns onto their voter base (well, former voter base).