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Italian court convicts Amanda Knox of murder

Any decent human being has sympathy for Meredith Kercher and her family. I do believe that goes without saying.

Well, it must do, because it has certainly gone without saying anywhere here.

Do you also regret the lack of evidence that links Amanda or Rafaelle to the murder, or the prosecutor's bizarre methods and history of prosecutorial misconduct?

I do not regret it because the forensic evidence was pretty clear. Knox's DNA was found on the knife. Is that not a link?

All high profile cases can be influenced by the media but it seems like the Italian system does not take pains to prevent this by sequestering juries or at least granting a change of venue.

Change of venue is not an option under the Italian judicial system. I have no idea whether sequestering of juries is. I know it is in the US system, but so what. The sub judice regulations in the UK would instantly make the sequestering of juries unnecessary, but I note the US hasn't adopted that system. I suspect the Italians haven't adopted sequestration, but that's their system.

What you are railing against is the idea that the trial is not being conducted under US judicial conditions. They may be more familiar and comforting, but are they necessarily more just?

I've seen the "evidence" against Amanda and Rafaelle and it is totally lacking in probative value. If you wish to challenge this assertion with facts of your own, I welcome it.

Well, I'm not claiming to have any legal qualifications or investigative abilities. But, then again, I'm guessing you are not qualified to adjudicate under Italian legal regulations.
 
Well, it must do, because it has certainly gone without saying anywhere here.

I have sympathy for Meredith and her family.

I do not regret it because the forensic evidence was pretty clear. Knox's DNA was found on the knife. Is that not a link?

Knox's DNA was found on a knife. I bet I could find your DNA on a knife, too. Does that mean you murdered someone with it?

Change of venue is not an option under the Italian judicial system.

Perhaps it should be.

I have no idea whether sequestering of juries is.

It's not.


What's the sub judice regulations?

What you are railing against is the idea that the trial is not being conducted under US judicial conditions. They may be more familiar and comforting, but are they necessarily more just?

I said nothing of the sort. I'm railing against the complete lack of evidence and the misconduct of the lead prosecutor.

Well, I'm not claiming to have any legal qualifications or investigative abilities. But, then again, I'm guessing you are not qualified to adjudicate under Italian legal regulations.

I'm qualified to make conclusions based upon facts. The facts say that Amanda Knox is innocent. Like I said, if you wish to challenge this assertion, then present your case.
 
What's the sub judice regulations?

It is the restriction upon discussion of a case currently subject to legal proceedings. Once a suspect has been charged with an offence it is seen as contempt of court for the details of that case to be discussed publicly for fear of prejudicing the outcome of those proceedings. No one is allowed to speculate on the possible guilt or innocence of a defendant nor on the weight or reliability of evidence within that case. If the case involves minors, nothing may be discussed that might identify the minor in question, whether as a defendant, victim or witness.

This law is deemed unconstitutional in the US as it contradicts the first Amendment. It is however, to my knowledge, observed in the UK, India, Canada and several other jurisdictions.
 

Okay, very interesting, but would you care to address my other points?
 
I have sympathy for Meredith and her family.
I'm pleased to hear it.

Knox's DNA was found on a knife. I bet I could find your DNA on a knife, too. Does that mean you murdered someone with it?
It was judged to have been THE knife that killed Meredith.

Perhaps it should be.
Venue change is pretty obsolete in a world with 24/7 media coverage universally available. It's irrelevant in this case as neither the victim nor the accused came from Perugia and hence there was no local sensibilities to take into account.
I said nothing of the sort. I'm railing against the complete lack of evidence and the misconduct of the lead prosecutor.
Well, things such as secuestration and venue change are commonplace in the US and either rare or simply nothing to do with other jurisdictions. Chain of evidence and evidence handling may be quite different too. There's no universally accepted international set of juridical procedures.[/quote]
I'm qualified to make conclusions based upon facts. The facts say that Amanda Knox is innocent. Like I said, if you wish to challenge this assertion, then present your case.
The point is that unless you have access to all the same facts that the court had access to, you can't make such judgements. I very much doubt you sat through every moment of the case as it was presented to the jury. If you did, how did you manage it?

I repeat, I accord myself neither legal qualifications nor was I there in court throughout the trial. Thankfully judging the guilt or innocence of this girl is not my responsibility. Nor is it yours. It is the responsibility of the Italian judicial system. Let's leave it to them to decide. I'm sure if you have fresh evidence or a different legal interpretation to offer, you can contact her defence team and make your contribution.
 
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I'm pleased to hear it.

I'm pleased that you're pleased.

It was judged to have been THE knife that killed Meredith.

They judged incorrectly:


If you would be so kind as to read the entire report...:2razz:

Venue change is pretty obsolete in a world with 24/7 media coverage universally available. It's irrelevant in this case as neither the victim nor the accused came from Perugia and hence there was no local sensibilities to take into account.

I'm not sure why you think this. The entire town of Perugia was awash in media sensationalism from the second Amanda Knox was arrested; the lead prosecutor made it a point to leak misinformation to the press. The jury pool was most certainly tainted.

Well, things such as secuestration and venue change are commonplace in the US and either rare or simply nothing to do with other jurisdictions.

I don't follow.

Chain of evidence and evidence handling may be quite different too. There's no universally accepted international set of juridical procedures.

But there are some things which are universally stupid, such as collecting a key piece of forensic evidence (Meredith's bra clasp) six weeks after the murder took place.


I've studied the case in depth and I know the relevant facts and evidence.

Motive: Amanda Knox, a female college student with no history of violence, mental illness, or criminal activity, convinced her boyfriend and a common criminal she barely knew to gang-rape and murder her roommate (totally implausible).

Murder weapon: The alleged murder weapon does not match a bloody imprint left by the actual murder weapon at the crime scene, nor does the alleged murder weapon have any of Meredith Kercher's blood DNA on it; the DNA that was found on the alleged murder weapon was of the magnitude of trillionths of a gram, and was almost certainly the result of cross-contamination, which is not uncommon.

Forensic evidence linking Amanda and Rafaelle to the crime scene: The key piece of forensic evidence linking Rafaelle to the crime scene was mishandled and collected six weeks after the crime took place.

The lead prosecutor: Was under indictment for abuse of office during the murder trial and convicted just recently. Obtained his bizarre motive from an occultist blogger who claims to communicate with a dead priest, saying Meredith Kercher's murder was the culmination of a satantic sex ritual. He has posited similar theories in the past, none of which were true.

If you want a more comprehensive analysis, watch the following:

American Girl, Italian Nightmare - 48 Hours - CBS News

Please find time to watch the whole thing.


I have no obligation to remain silent. This trial was fraught with errors and ridden with sensationalism. Hopefully, the Italian justice system will redeem itself during the appeals process.
 

I don't currently have time to review everything you've post, for which I thank you, sincerely. I certainly will look at it all and pay close attention.

I never suggested you should be quiet about your position. You have every right to express it, and given the extensive study you and Amanda's supporters have conducted, you have a responsibility to try to bring that info to light. I wish you luck.

One question, why Friends of Amanda? Don't you maintain that the faults in the trial apply equally to Amanda and Raffaele?
 

Thank you for your kind words, as to your question, I maintain that both Amanda and Raffaele are victims of the same flawed process; I believe the lack of forensic evidence against him is also addressed in the pdf file I linked.

The reason why there is so much emphasis placed on Amanda is because, well, she's an American. I know that's not the ideal answer but that's just how it is sometimes. The Friends of Amanda group was started specifically by people from Amanda's home-state, so it's only natural that they would concentrate mostly on her innocence. However, they do not ignore Rafaelle, and address his innocence in some detail on their website. If you're interested, you can read a comprehensive analysis of the case here.

Once again, I appreciate your candor and open-mindedness. This has been a very pleasant conversation... : D
 
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