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It must be easy to 'support' genocide and just ignore the ugly truth


“The IDF claimed that the purpose was to destroy the fedayeen camps at Karameh, and to capture the leader of the PLO Yasser Arafat as reprisal. Israel also wanted to punish Jordan for its perceived support to the fedayeen.[16] A large Israeli force launched an attack on the town on the dawn of 21 March, supported by fighter jets. Israel assumed the Jordanian Army would choose to not get involved in the battle, but the latter deployed heavy artillery fire, while the Palestinian irregulars engaged in guerrilla warfare. The Israelis withdrew, or were repulsed, after a day-long battle, having destroyed most of the Karameh camp and taken around 140 PLO members prisoner.[3]”

“According to Lt. Col. Arik Regev, chief of Central Command's operations branch,


Battle of Karameh - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You really do need to educate yourself.

Israel is no different, on a fundamental level, from apartheid South Africa.

Which it knows full well, because the two were close allies.

Oh, and er....

“In Jordan, there is no official census data for how many inhabitants are Palestinians and it rather depends on the definition of who is a Palestinian.[5] Some 2.18 million Palestinians were registered as refugees in 2016.[6] As of 2014, around 370,000 live in ten refugee camps, with the biggest one being Baqa'a refugee camp with over 104,000 residents, followed by Al-Wehdat refugee camp with over 51,500 residents.[1] Minority Rights Group International estimated that there are around 3 million Palestinians in Jordan.[7]

Palestinians are overwhelmingly concentrated in northern and central Jordan, specifically in the Amman Governorate, Zarqa Governorate and Irbid Governorate.[6]”

Palestinians in Jordan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There sure are a lot of Palestinians living in Jordan for a country that supposedly doesn’t want them.
 

The battle of Karameh took place three years prior to the expulsion of Palestinians from Jorden in 1970-1971, the event known as Black September.


Black September - Wikipedia

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On 17 September 1970, the Jordanian Army surrounded cities with a significant PLO presence, including Amman and Irbid, and began targeting fedayeen posts that were operating from Palestinian refugee camps. The next day, 10,000 Syrian troops bearing Palestine Liberation Army (PLA) markings began an invasion by advancing towards Irbid, which the fedayeen had occupied and declared to be a "liberated" city. On 22 September, the Syrians withdrew from Irbid after suffering heavy losses to a coordinated aerial–ground offensive by the Jordanians. Mounting pressure from other Arab countries, such as Iraq, led Hussein to halt his offensive. On 13 October, he signed an agreement with Arafat to regulate the fedayeen's presence in Jordan. However, the Jordanian military attacked again in January 1971, and the fedayeen were driven out of the cities, one by one, until 2,000 surrendered after they were encircled during the Ajlun offensive on 23 July, formally marking the end of the conflict.[11]
 
Craig234 said:
You make a very good point. But let's not use that as an excuse to say the absence of coverage for Gaza is ok. They're all undercovered. Also, the US is most responsible for Gaza, but they all matter.
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What has the U.S. done other than support Israel in its defense against Hamas and it defense against continued Hezbollah bombings of Israel? The U.S. is defending its closest ally in the Middle East by giving them the weapons to counter attacks by Hamas and thousands of rockets delivered by Hezbollah into northern Israel.

Every night PBS, CBS, and ABC show pictures of bloodied Palestinian children being carried by adults to hospitals in Gaza. You call that being "undercovered"?
What's undercovered is the argument that, if Hamas was truly interested in saving the lives of Palestinians, it would stop hiding in schools, hospitals, mosque while it batles IDF troops.
 

Many of these posters, I'm sure, aren't aware that many Palestinians actually live peacefully in Israel as Palestinian citizens of Israel or non-citizens of Israel that go by many different names. They represent about 20% of the population, and they are not enemies of the state. Israel is not waging war against all Palestinians, Israel is waging war against Palestinian terrorist organizations

Arab Citizens of Israel

Arab citizens of Israel - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org
 

And decades later, there are still well over a million Palestinians living in Jordan.

Which rather throughly dismantles your narrative.
 
Talk about hyperbole. Let's see, if we assume the numbers from the Hamas controlled Gaza Health Ministry are accurate (which is doubtful..) then there have been about 40K casualties.

Now there are about 5 million people living there, so 40K/5M is about .008 of the population (eight tenths of 1 percent)

That's not genocide...
 
If I was an Arab (Muslim or Christian) living within Israeli borders, I would keep head down, do my job, and hope for this Gaza mess to blow over. I would not talk to anyone about the war in Gaza, especially if I felt Hamas was on the wrong side of history and I wanted to see them destroyed.
Of course, the pro-Hamas/Palestinian protestors in the U.S. are careful to not advertise the fact the are Arab Israelis who are leading good lives in Israel tending to their own lives.
"According to the Israel Central Bureau of Statistics, the Israeli Arab population stood at 2.1 million people in 2023, accounting for 21% of Israel's total population.[1] The majority of these Arab citizens identify themselves as Arab or Palestinian by nationality and as Israeli by citizenship"

Arab citizens of Israel - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Israel certainly has opportunities for Arabs in Israel proper as opposed to the two shithole pair of Palestinian territories dedicated to destroying Israel.
 
beancounter said:
Talk about hyperbole. Let's see, if we assume the numbers from the Hamas controlled Gaza Health Ministry are accurate (which is doubtful..) then there have been about 40K casualties.
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No, it's not. First, that ministry has many years of history of accurate numbers. The numbers are used by Shin Bet for their own uses. So your 'doubtful' is based on nothing but uninformed bias. And, they are very low estimates, only the number they've confirmed. Lancet estimates it's actually up to about 200,000.

beancounter said:
Now there are about 5 million people living there
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No, it's about 2.3 million before the genocide.

beancounter said:
so 40K/5M is about .008 of the population (eight tenths of 1 percent)
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Taking 40k, which is definitely an undercount, that's close to 2% - and many more wounded - not ".008 of the population".

beancounter said:
That's not genocide...
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You clearly have no idea what the definition of genocide is, or why the top court in the world ruled a preliminary finding of genocide. Read up.
 
There were opportunities for non-white people in South Africa under apartheid as well, that's not really something most people would be speaking positively about. I will give you that the Israeli Arab citizens have better lives than those in Gaza, not sure that really deserves a #BLESSED though.

Arab Minority Rights | Association for Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI)

ACRI engages in legal maneuvers and public advocacy to promote equality for the Arab citizens of Israel in housing and planning, to challenge discriminatory policies and decisions, to oppose home demolitions, to promote local planning efforts, and to encourage equal distribution of state resources.
www.english.acri.org.il


Unless something very unexpected happens, it is only going to get worse,,, for Arabs in Israel. There is good reason many Israeli politicians and citizens are terrified of this, it could very well tip the scales and start the big war that everyone is terrified of. (At least anyone that understands what the big war will actually cost)

משמר לאומי תחת השר לביטחון לאומי - חציית קו אדום | האגודה לזכויות האזרח בישראל

היום (28.3.2023) פנינו ליועצת המשפטית לממשלה בעקבות הסיכום שהושג בין השר לביטחון לאומי לראש הממשלה בעניין הקמת משמר לאומי תחת השר לביטחון לאומי. אמנם פרטים רבים עדיין לא ברורים באשר להרכב, לסמכויות ולמבנה הכוח שיוקם, אולם עצם הכוונה להקים כוח חמוש שיוכפף לשר לביטחון לאומי בנפרד מהמשטרה משקף קו...
www.acri.org.il


Read this article to get some background on Minister Ben Gvir, someone that was previously convicted for providing support to a terrorist group, a man former Prime Minister Ehud Olmert described as a more imminent danger to Israel than a nuclear-armed Iran, a man that knows how to play fools better than anyone:

Itamar Ben-Gvir, Israel’s Minister of Chaos

As unrest roils the country, a controversial figure from the far right helps Benjamin Netanyahu hold on to power.
www.newyorker.com
 
Craig234 said:
Not a single response to the similar video earlier today. You don't see any coverage of these things in US media I've seen. Invisible genocide. And the people who support it here, can just not watch. Problem solved.

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What good does it do to "watch"? What does it change?
 

Israel has killed more innocent civilians in the last year than Hamas or Hezbollah have in their entire existence.

South Africa wailed about the Bantustans as well. That doesn’t change the nature of the regime, and Israel is extremely similar to apartheid South Africa.

Which Tel Aviv knows, because they and the apartheid regime were close friends and allies.
 
Israel/Palestine is one of the few issues that has liberals and conservatives aligned from EITHER side of the conflict. It is fascinating to see such “bipartisan” tribalism.
 

Israel is nothing like South Africa.
 
Ganondagan said:
Israel is nothing like South Africa.
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Except it is, which is why it formed such a close friendship and alliance with the apartheid regime....and why Israeli-South African relations have steadily cratered ever since apartheid fell.
 

It seems they have always sort of kept some 'Arab citizens' that sort of seem like 'public relations props', but been very aware of limiting their numbers and rights, but claiming they were equal, to mask their colonialism.

 
Craig234 said:
It seems they have always sort of kept some 'Arab citizens' that sort of seem like 'public relations props', but been very aware of limiting their numbers and rights, but claiming they were equal, to mask their colonialism.
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Arab Israeli citizens serve in the IDF, in the Knesset, and even on the Supreme Court of Israel. Arab Israeli citizens are approximately 20% of the population. They are not "public relations props."
 
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