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That someone would have a problem with preventing arms from reaching terrorists' hands it is itself immoral in insane levels.And it is my fault that you dont look at the over all picture? A country has forced its way on to a ship under another country's flag in the waters of a 3rd country or at best in international waters and you have no problem with this just because it is Israel vs the Arabs? Pathetic. So you would have no problem the Arabs taking a ship bound for Israel with weapons from the US?
There are pictures and videos that document the weapons transporting on the ship.
The crew of the ship has also admitted that there were weapons on that ship and said that they weren't allowed to check what's inside because that's pretty much how international trading law goes. (Only the port's authorities are allowed and are required by the law to search the cargo)
That you are willing to declare Israel as an automatic liar, ignore documentations, partake in outburst denial, and compare Israel to Iran and Syria - deals a fatal blow to your credibility in my eyes, and probably in the eyes of many others.
I wouldn't take your deceptive words for granted more than I would take Ahmedinejad's, Pete.
That someone would have a problem with preventing arms from reaching terrorists' hands it is itself immoral in insane levels.
Seems to me that they gunrunners had to be breaking some kind of international law. I'd like to know what it was.So once again we see these terrorist groups utilizing gaps in our regulatory seams to advance their cause. They hide their activities in the shadows. They use our laws against us. In this case, Iran rearming Hizbollah, by shipping weapons directly from International waters to Lebanon.
So yes, Israel may have violated laws to capture this ship. Is it in fact termed "high seas piracy"? Considering the cargo, I don't have a problem with it and if Israel needs to pay a fine of some kind, then it should do that.
I do think that shipping arms to a terrorist group is much, much, much more of a problem than any "high seas piracy" to stop it. It ought to be on the front page.
Seems to me that they gunrunners had to be breaking some kind of international law. I'd like to know what it was.
Israel: commandos seize Hezbollah-bound arms ship - Yahoo! News
I wonder how this one is going to be played off. More uninforced sanctions perhaps?
-Suprized? I'm not.
So could 9/11, but that doesn't mean that questioning the terrorist responsibility over it does not rightfully earn one the label of a lunatic.Can all be fabricated. That does not mean I think they are, just stating a fact.
Just like we believe any other Western nation when they report on events.Again we are to believe the Israeli's version of events.
I was speaking about the film and pictures taken during the raid itself, although those pictures were obviously not staged as well.The pictures were after all staged for the international media on a dockside in Israel.
That's just outburst retarded.There was grainy black and white "footage" of the raid and the kicker is now that the official line is.. they "discovered" the weapons, not that they knew they were there.. that opens up a whole bunch of questions like.. should we accept any nation for doing random "checks" on ships in other nations waters/international waters without authorisation?
And that's why your credibility in my eyes is non-existent.No, I question the documentations. Huge difference. I have seen the Israeli version and I have heard the Iranian/Syrian/Hisbollah version.. and I dont believe any of them further than I can throw them.
You are objecting here to the act of preventing terrorists from putting their hands on weapons that will be used to murder civilians.Do I have a tad more belief in Israel than Iran/Syria/Hisbollah? yes I do, I will admit that, but that would still not change the fact that Israel yet again boarded another nations ship in a 3rd countries waters or international waters without any sort of authorisation from involved parties. This is piracy 101, regardless of who is doing it.
That is up to you. Not my fault that you cant objectively look at the situation and support state sponsored piracy.
Listen, if the Israelis had permission from the Cypirots.. then I would have no problem with them doing what they did, even in international waters of Cyprus. But from what we know so far, no such permission or request was given by anyone, hence I will claim it was state sponsored piracy.
That's where you're wrong, Israel's credibility isn't lower than any Western European nation in the world.Did I ever say that? The only ones claiming that the weapons were heading to terrorists is Israel. And since their credibility is only slightly higher than that of Iran, then sorry if I dont take their claims at face value.
Fifth freedom.IF they were weapons for terrorists, then good job, but that does still not excuse the high seas piracy. And that is the whole point. We have rules and laws that makes us different than the terrorists. Once we set aside even basic rules and laws then we are no better than the terrorists themselves and that is my problem with the whole situation.
That's where you're wrong, Israel's credibility isn't lower than any Western European nation in the world.
What does this has to do with the Palestinians? :dohIf the UK and Israel said contradictory things, I'd be more inclined off the bat to believe the UK. Israel's credibility isn't as high as Europe's. Israel down there is part of the same damned problem. Palestine is essentially an open air prison, and if you don't understand how that would piss a population off then there's no way you'd ever look at this issue objectively.
What does this has to do with the Palestinians? :doh
I'm not even going to rebuttal your off-reality claims about the Palestinians here, as this is irrelevant to say the least.
Israel's credibility falls no short than that of any other Western nation in the world.
Unless you're willing to explain your damaged opinion, I have no reason to waste time on that.
I take it that you are from those people who believe that the NATO forces, the US and Israel are deliberately killing civilians in Gaza, Iraq and Afghanistan.Israel is not an innocent in the conflict with Palestine. They are doing some terrible things as well, bombing civilian targets just as Palestine does to Israel.
Then please do not waste your time on me and refrain from sharing with me your damaged opinions, it would only do good to both of us it'd seem.Yet most people blanket dismiss the transgressions of Israel while rallying against Palestine. Your little rant here, you got it backwards. You should have to explain to me your damaged opinion, otherwise I have no reason to waste time on it.
Open air prisons is a wrong term, prison is a place where prisoners live and the Palestinians are definitely not prisoners, unlike what you may claim.There is purposeful movement of people into scattered places around Palestine to prevent a two state solution, the movement of Palestinians is horrifically controlled and monitored, the lands the Palestinians are allowed to occupy are nothing better than open air prisons.
There is no such thing as "share of blame".Palestine is no innocent in this conflict, but it's not like it's 100% them either.
Since you cannot bring any logical argument to explain why Israel has a low credibility, there is no reason to consider anything that comes out of your mouth as the truth and your credibility is lower than that of China. :shrug:As I said, if you can't understand how brutal control of one's people on their land can piss an entire people off, there is no point in considering anything that comes out of your mouth as you prove yourself incapable of objectivity. Israel's credibility is well less than that of the Western World, and even Russia. I may give them a bit more credibility than China though.
This is so much bs. Have you ever been in the military? Or are you another couch warrior?They may not "purposefully" target civilians, but they don't exactly try to miss either.
This is so much bs. Have you ever been in the military? Or are you another couch warrior?
So once again we see these terrorist groups utilizing gaps in our regulatory seams to advance their cause. They hide their activities in the shadows. They use our laws against us. In this case, Iran rearming Hizbollah, by shipping weapons directly from International waters to Lebanon.
So yes, Israel may have violated laws to capture this ship. Is it in fact termed "high seas piracy"? Considering the cargo, I don't have a problem with it and if Israel needs to pay a fine of some kind, then it should do that.
I do think that shipping arms to a terrorist group is much, much, much more of a problem than any "high seas piracy" to stop it. It ought to be on the front page.
Ikari, your take on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict shows great 'political immaturity'.
If you seize it in US waters or "friendly" waters, as in allowed by the nation in question, then no problem.
But if you seize it in international waters or in another nations waters without permission, then yes it is high seas piracy.
The more interesting question is, why you want to play this down.
So now it is state sponsored high sea's piracy... nice.
Gee it was in the NYT, Wa Post, that I read the story. And just why should this be a BIG story???
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