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Isn’t faith being central targeting stupid people??

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Faith: belief in something impossible or highly unlikely.

Isn’t Christianity putting faith at the primary trait they are looking for, telling us to our faces they only want stupid people who will believe whatever they tell them too???


All kinda stuff can be central to your philosophy..

Intelligence, logic And reason, being a good spouse or parent, charity, helping others, making money, exc, exc, exc..

Christianity CHOSE to put belief in the ridiculous as the central pillar of its philosophy..


It sure is funny that every tenant of most religions are exactly what a con artist would say..

But do t worry about it.. just have faith. Lol


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And another question....

Should the state step in since they are targeting the mentally challenged???

Jk lol


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ArtemisBarca said:
Faith: belief in something impossible or highly unlikely.

Isn’t Christianity putting faith at the primary trait they are looking for, telling us to our faces they only want stupid people who will believe whatever they tell them too???


All kinda stuff can be central to your philosophy..

Intelligence, logic And reason, being a good spouse or parent, charity, helping others, making money, exc, exc, exc..

Christianity CHOSE to put belief in the ridiculous as the central pillar of its philosophy..


It sure is funny that every tenant of most religions are exactly what a con artist would say..

But do t worry about it.. just have faith. Lol


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False dilemma fallacy: people of faith can also be intelligent, logical, and reasonable.
 
it's just me said:
False dilemma fallacy: people of faith can also be intelligent, logical, and reasonable.
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I agree. The human brain is very capable of compartmentalizing and holding ideas that are contradictory if analysed closely. Most people don't subject themselves to such self analysis because it may undermine an emotional foundation they rely on to function every day.
 
it's just me said:
False dilemma fallacy: people of faith can also be intelligent, logical, and reasonable.
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Both can be true.... smart people have always believed stupid things..

Ben Carson believes the pyramids were grain silos, yet is a brilliant heart surgeon..

So who used a fallacy lol????

I never claimed every Christian was stupid, I said that faith is inherently illogical, thus Christianity is targeting stupid people.

And faith is by dictionary definition illogical... you don’t need faith for something that is obvious.

Even If I target a catfish , I still might catch a bass..


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ArtemisBarca said:
Faith: belief in something impossible or highly unlikely.

Isn’t Christianity putting faith at the primary trait they are looking for, telling us to our faces they only want stupid people who will believe whatever they tell them too???


All kinda stuff can be central to your philosophy..

Intelligence, logic And reason, being a good spouse or parent, charity, helping others, making money, exc, exc, exc..

Christianity CHOSE to put belief in the ridiculous as the central pillar of its philosophy..


It sure is funny that every tenant of most religions are exactly what a con artist would say..

But do t worry about it.. just have faith. Lol


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Nope, Paul himself said...

"Keep testing whether you are in the faith; keep proving what you yourselves are. Or do you not recognize that Jesus Christ is in union with you? Unless you are disapproved." 2 Corinthians 13:5

In order to do so, that takes continuous endeavor to discover the nature or character of what Christ taught...making sure your beliefs line up with his teachings daily...following Christ is not for the stupid or the ignorant...
 
devildavid said:
I agree. The human brain is very capable of compartmentalizing and holding ideas that are contradictory if analysed closely. Most people don't subject themselves to such self analysis because it may undermine an emotional foundation they rely on to function every day.
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How is it a fallacy when I never claimed every Christian was stupid???

I said faith is targeting stupid people because it is.. faith by definition is illogical, if it was logical you wouldn’t need “faith” to think it was going to happen.

Smart people believe dumb things every day, and you catch things you were not targeting all the time..

So where was the logical fallacy?


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Elvira said:
Nope, Paul himself said...

"Keep testing whether you are in the faith; keep proving what you yourselves are. Or do you not recognize that Jesus Christ is in union with you? Unless you are disapproved." 2 Corinthians 13:5

In order to do so, that takes continuous endeavor to discover the nature or character of what Christ taught...making sure your beliefs line up with his teachings daily...following Christ is not for the stupid or the ignorant...
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What does that have to do with anything?!?!

Is the DICTIONARY definition of faith still “belief in the impossible or highly unlikely”???

Yes.

Is the primary pillar of Christianity faith??

Yes.


So the most important attribute for a Christian is the willingness to believe in the impossible or highly unlikely...


Aka stupid people......

Lots of reasons people believe that have nothing to do with doctrine...

Social pressures.. social benefits.. nostalgia, tradition, exc..


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ArtemisBarca said:
What does that have to do with anything?!?!

Is the DICTIONARY definition of faith still “belief in the impossible or highly unlikely”???

Yes.

Is the primary pillar of Christianity faith??

Yes.


So the most important attribute for a Christian is the willingness to believe in the impossible or highly unlikely...


Aka stupid people......

Lots of reasons people believe that have nothing to do with doctrine...

Social pressures.. social benefits.. nostalgia, tradition, exc..


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Everything...like I said, following Christ is not for the stupid or the ignorant...
 
Elvira said:
Nope, Paul himself said...

"Keep testing whether you are in the faith; keep proving what you yourselves are. Or do you not recognize that Jesus Christ is in union with you? Unless you are disapproved." 2 Corinthians 13:5

In order to do so, that takes continuous endeavor to discover the nature or character of what Christ taught...making sure your beliefs line up with his teachings daily...following Christ is not for the stupid or the ignorant...
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Then why is the primary tenant that you be willing to believe in the impossible or highly unlikely??

Why isn’t it your ability to question??

If you question that Jesus was the son of god do you get salvation or if you believe in him completely, even though it is impossible from what we know of the world today, do you get salvation???

It is really hard to claim you are on the smart side when the vast majority of science , academia and scholarship disagrees with the validity of Christian theology..


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ArtemisBarca said:
Then why is the primary tenant that you be willing to believe in the impossible or highly unlikely??

Why isn’t it your ability to question??

If you question that Jesus was the son of god do you get salvation or if you believe in him completely, even though it is impossible from what we know of the world today, do you get salvation???

It is really hard to claim you are on the smart side when the vast majority of science , academia and scholarship disagrees with the validity of Christian theology..


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I do question all the time and I've gotten my questions answered, with studying the Bible...like...

Why are we here?
What is God's purpose for us?
What is God's purpose for the earth?
Why does God allow wickedness for so long?
What does the future hold for mankind?
Why is it that man grows old and dies after such a brief existence, when even some trees live thousands of years?
What happens when we die?
Where are the dead?
Which of the many religions on earth does God approve?
How can I determine which is the right religion?
What does God require of me?

The list goes on and the answers are all within the pages of the Bible...
 
ArtemisBarca said:
How is it a fallacy when I never claimed every Christian was stupid???

I said faith is targeting stupid people because it is.. faith by definition is illogical, if it was logical you wouldn’t need “faith” to think it was going to happen.

Smart people believe dumb things every day, and you catch things you were not targeting all the time..

So where was the logical fallacy?


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Faith doesn't target stupid people, it targets emotional people.
 
it's just me said:
False dilemma fallacy: people of faith can also be intelligent, logical, and reasonable.
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"Can be" sure. But the more intelligent people are the less likely they are to believe in irrational myths.
 
Sweden said:
"Can be" sure. But the more intelligent people are the less likely they are to believe in irrational myths.
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It isn't simply intelligence, it also has to do with emotional makeup.
 
Elvira said:
I do question all the time and I've gotten my questions answered, with studying the Bible...like...

Why are we here?
What is God's purpose for us?
What is God's purpose for the earth?
Why does God allow wickedness for so long?
What does the future hold for mankind?
Why is it that man grows old and dies after such a brief existence, when even some trees live thousands of years?
What happens when we die?
Where are the dead?
Which of the many religions on earth does God approve?
How can I determine which is the right religion?
What does God require of me?

The list goes on and the answers are all within the pages of the Bible...
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Eliminate all questions related to god, and you eliminate most of those questions. Ask the remaining questions too much, and risk your sanity.
 
Sweden said:
"Can be" sure. But the more intelligent people are the less likely they are to believe in irrational myths.
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And that begs the question: What's the difference between a rational myth and an irrational myth? Are there rational myths? Is the myth of Sisyphus rational, or are all myths irrational by definition? Can we declare C. S. Lewis irrational, or was he rational in all things but his faith? Can we even separate the two?
 
Sweden said:
"Can be" sure. But the more intelligent people are the less likely they are to believe in irrational myths.
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True, like scientist who are mostly agnostic. Ever so slowly classical religion and philosophy are disappearing in modern societies.
 
ArtemisBarca said:
Faith: belief in something impossible or highly unlikely.

Isn’t Christianity putting faith at the primary trait they are looking for, telling us to our faces they only want stupid people who will believe whatever they tell them too???


All kinda stuff can be central to your philosophy..

Intelligence, logic And reason, being a good spouse or parent, charity, helping others, making money, exc, exc, exc..

Christianity CHOSE to put belief in the ridiculous as the central pillar of its philosophy..


It sure is funny that every tenant of most religions are exactly what a con artist would say..

But do t worry about it.. just have faith. Lol


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On the contrary - Christianity is not based on blind faith.
The Creator (of Christian belief) had given mankind what is known as critical thinking that which is a tool in order to be able to discern and make personal judgement/decision.


Yes, logic is very much front and central part of it.
may I ask you: how much have you read and understood the Bible?
 
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Andrew Newberg, a neuroscientist who studies the brain in light of religious experience, has spent his career following this hunch. “If you contemplate God long enough, something surprising happens in the brain. Neural functioning begins to change. Different circuits become activated, while others become deactivated. New dendrites are formed, new synaptic connections are made, and the brain becomes more sensitive to subtle realms of experience. Perceptions alter, beliefs begin to change, and if God has meaning for you, then God becomes neurologically real.”

A scientific explanation for the religious experience.

Do humans have a ‘religion instinct’? - BBC Future
 
Re: Isn’t faith being central targeting stupid people??

Originally Posted by ArtemisBarca View Post
Faith: belief in something impossible or highly unlikely.

Isn’t Christianity putting faith at the primary trait they are looking for, telling us to our faces they only want stupid people who will believe whatever they tell them too???


All kinda stuff can be central to your philosophy..

Intelligence, logic And reason, being a good spouse or parent, charity, helping others, making money, exc, exc, exc..

Christianity CHOSE to put belief in the ridiculous as the central pillar of its philosophy..


It sure is funny that every tenant of most religions are exactly what a con artist would say..

But do t worry about it.. just have faith. Lol
Click to expand...


On the contrary - Christianity is not based on blind faith.
The Creator (of Christian belief) had given mankind what is known as critical thinking that which is a tool in order to be able to discern and make personal judgement/decision.


Yes, logic is very much front and central part of it.
may I ask you: how much have you read and understood the Bible?
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Do you believe in miracles?

Here's a few >

Changing water into wine at Cana in John 2:1-11 - "the first of the signs"

Healing the royal official's son in Capernaum in John 4:46-54.

Healing the paralytic at Bethesda in John 5:1-15.

Feeding the 5000 in John 6:5-14.

Jesus walking on water in John 6:16-24
 
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Sweden said:
"Can be" sure. But the more intelligent people are the less likely they are to believe in irrational myths.
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I know better than that.
 
ArtemisBarca said:
Faith: belief in something impossible or highly unlikely.

Isn’t Christianity putting faith at the primary trait they are looking for, telling us to our faces they only want stupid people who will believe whatever they tell them too???
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Being an atheist is the highest form of belief in the impossible.
 
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gboisjo said:
Do you believe in miracles?

Here's a few >

Changing water into wine at Cana in John 2:1-11 - "the first of the signs"

Healing the royal official's son in Capernaum in John 4:46-54.

Healing the paralytic at Bethesda in John 5:1-15.

Feeding the 5000 in John 6:5-14.

Jesus walking on water in John 6:16-24
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Fictional stories don't show any miracles except to show how gullible people are.
 
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