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Is Trump a fascist? Learning about how fascism works can help prevent its spread in America

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From NBC News

Is Trump a fascist?
Learning about how fascism works can help prevent its spread in America


When I ask Jason Stanley if the current American government is fascist, he becomes very quiet.

If he thought the American government was fascist, Stanley responds, "I would never say it in an interview," he says. "It would be too dangerous." In other words, by the time the people in power have instituted fascism, it's too late to call it that.

Stanley adds that he does not think the current American government is fascist. But his new book, “How Fascism Works: The Politics of Us and Them,” identifies a range of worrying signs that we are headed in that direction.

A philosophy professor at Yale, and the child of Holocaust survivors, Stanley has been concerned about the rise of conspiratorial fascist politics in the U.S. since at least 2011, when he wrote a New York Times op-ed about how propaganda erodes trust and truth. Bizarre claims that President Barack Obama was a Kenyan Muslim spy weren't meant to be taken at face value, Stanley argued. Rather, they were designed to undermine trust in anything Obama said, and in democratic politics in general.

COMMENT:-

Drawing the distinction between "Fascism" and "Fascist tactics" is a VERY good thing to do.

Most people [A] don't bother, and wouldn't know what either of the terms mean - at least not accurately.

PS - There is not one heck of a lot of difference between "Fascist tactics" and the tactics used by any demagogic leader and that demagogic leader can fall anywhere on the world political spectrum between "Wacko Extreme Far Left" and "Wacko Extreme Far Right" so maybe simply dropping the "Fascist" and dealing with "Demagogic Tactics" would be productive. [Do I expect to see that happen? Don't be silly, of course I don't.]
 
From NBC News

Is Trump a fascist?
Learning about how fascism works can help prevent its spread in America


When I ask Jason Stanley if the current American government is fascist, he becomes very quiet.

If he thought the American government was fascist, Stanley responds, "I would never say it in an interview," he says. "It would be too dangerous." In other words, by the time the people in power have instituted fascism, it's too late to call it that.

Stanley adds that he does not think the current American government is fascist. But his new book, “How Fascism Works: The Politics of Us and Them,” identifies a range of worrying signs that we are headed in that direction.

A philosophy professor at Yale, and the child of Holocaust survivors, Stanley has been concerned about the rise of conspiratorial fascist politics in the U.S. since at least 2011, when he wrote a New York Times op-ed about how propaganda erodes trust and truth. Bizarre claims that President Barack Obama was a Kenyan Muslim spy weren't meant to be taken at face value, Stanley argued. Rather, they were designed to undermine trust in anything Obama said, and in democratic politics in general.

COMMENT:-

Drawing the distinction between "Fascism" and "Fascist tactics" is a VERY good thing to do.

Most people [A] don't bother, and wouldn't know what either of the terms mean - at least not accurately.

PS - There is not one heck of a lot of difference between "Fascist tactics" and the tactics used by any demagogic leader and that demagogic leader can fall anywhere on the world political spectrum between "Wacko Extreme Far Left" and "Wacko Extreme Far Right" so maybe simply dropping the "Fascist" and dealing with "Demagogic Tactics" would be productive. [Do I expect to see that happen? Don't be silly, of course I don't.]


Hardly.

But first, define fascist.
 
Nope. :shrug:

The linked article goes just a wee tiny bit beyond the "Is Trump a Fascist?" question in the thread title.

Do you know what the conclusion in the article was?

Does the secondary point raised in the article not concern you in the least?
 
The linked article goes just a wee tiny bit beyond the "Is Trump a Fascist?" question in the thread title.

Do you know what the conclusion in the article was?

Does the secondary point raised in the article not concern you in the least?

Didn't even bother reading the article. You quoted:

When I ask Jason Stanley if the current American government is fascist, he becomes very quiet.

If he thought the American government was fascist, Stanley responds, "I would never say it in an interview," he says. "It would be too dangerous." In other words, by the time the people in power have instituted fascism, it's too late to call it that.

When someone acts/talks like that it isn't even worth reading as the guy is clearly a conspiracy nutjob.
 

Did you actually read the article?

What was the conclusion reached in the article?

What was the secondary point raised in the article?

Does the secondary point raised in the article not cause you the least little bit of concern?

But first, define fascist.

Fascism

The 14 Characteristics of Fascism

Those should get you started.

PS - "Fascist" does NOT mean

  • "anyone to 'the right' of the most progressive wing of the Democratic Party"
(which appears to be the way that the term is used in the United States of America nowadays).

Equally "Communist" (or "Socialist" [since, in the US today the terms appear to be used interchangeably) does NOT mean

  • "anyone to 'the left' of the most reactionary wing of the Republican Party"
(which appears to be the way that the term is used in the United States of America nowadays).

Not only that, but

  • "anarchist" does NOT mean the same thing as "progressive"; and
  • "reactionary" does NOT mean the same thing as "conservative"
even though those terms appear to be being used interchangeably in the US these days.
 
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