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How about some examples if you really believe pro-choice is forcing anti-abortion advocates into believing something they don't want to believe. Posting religious views as facts and having a pro-choice advocate correct the statement is not forcing a view on anyone. It's simply keeping the discussion fact based. If you want to post religious dogma as truth then you should be posting on the Religion sub forum, not Abortion.Thank you for the clarification. Of course, those who are pro-choice are not any more entitled to force their beliefs on others, and I'm sure you acknowledge this too.
An omnipotent, omniscient God negates the possibility of free will. Just because you believe something as "truth" doesn't make it truth.I believe in free will. God gives us a choice. As for religion, Jesus said he is the only way to heaven. I believe him so I repeat what he said. That’s the truth and you don’t like it.
And I choose not to participate in your brand of religion.I believe in free will. God gives us a choice.
There are as many ways into heaven as there are religions and denominations of religions.As for religion, Jesus said he is the only way to heaven.
That's your truth. I don't like it or dislike it. I'm just tired of being told if I don't believe your way I'm going to hell. How you get to heaven is none of my business until you start telling me what I have to do to get into your heaven.I believe him so I repeat what he said. That’s the truth and you don’t like it.
I don't force my beliefs on others. I have NO intention of forcing anyone to get an abortion or marry a same sex partner or whatever. It the religious that expect others to live by their values and rules even though many of them can't live up to them themselves. Freedom's a bitch, I guess.Thank you for the clarification. Of course, those who are pro-choice are not any more entitled to force their beliefs on others, and I'm sure you acknowledge this too.
You’re wrong about that. All through the Bible there are examples of God giving men the choice to choose life over death. The option to repent or go their own way. Life is full of choices.An omnipotent, omniscient God negates the possibility of free will. Just because you believe something as "truth" doesn't make it truth.
No true Christian lives by their own values. We do our best to live according to Gods values and encourage others to do the same. We all fall short.I don't force my beliefs on others. I have NO intention of forcing anyone to get an abortion or marry a same sex partner or whatever. It the religious that expect others to live by their values and rules even though many of them can't live up to them themselves. Freedom's a bitch, I guess.
Not if God already knows the choice in advance with absolute certainty before we're even born or before the universe was created.You’re wrong about that. All through the Bible there are examples of God giving men the choice to choose life over death. The option to repent or go their own way. Life is full of choices.
Of course, those who are pro-choice are not any more entitled to force their beliefs on others, and I'm sure you acknowledge this too.
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1) Despite repeated attempts to overturn Roe v Wade since 1973, apparently the ProLife lobby failed to get the memo that merely passing legislation limiting/prohibiting access to abortion only serves as "window-dressing" for conservative politicians - as the graph indicates, it has never served as an effective deterrent!
2) Apparently the conservative members of the US Supreme Court, Republican governors and GOP state politicians are all of the opinion that Americans young women in the 21stC will serve as the exceptions to the rule - more passive and compliant than their international counterparts, when it comes to allowing anti-abortion legislation to influence their decisions!
3) Having effectively ignored a wide range of approaches that would have been more productive in convincing young women, voluntarily, to proceed with full-term pregnancies, ProLife supporters have, in their infinite wisdom, dedicated the past 49 years going down this Supreme Court "RABBIT HOLE!"
4) Given the long history of American citizens resisting misguided government attempts to legislate morality, it should come as no surprise when history adds this failed attempt to the list - another "exercise in futility!"
You’re wrong. You don’t understand. I’m not going to explain it to someone that doesn’t want to believe it.Not if God already knows the choice in advance with absolute certainty before we're even born or before the universe was created.
Belief is irrelevant. It's about what is logically demonstrable. Belief is just convincing oneself of something. Sure one can "believe" there's a choice, but its illogical.You’re wrong. You don’t understand. I’m not going to explain it to someone that doesn’t want to believe it.
If the spirit in you can't spiritually heal the objective empirical illnesses of others instantaneously and in public, there's not a single reason any true follower of Jesus Christ would believe you. He said if you believed on him and the works that he did, the works that he did you could do also and he told his followers that they could heal in his name.You have to be a blood bought born again Christian. Otherwise it’s not the Holy Spirit.
Well many abortions involve an already dead or miscarried fetus. This is the deceit of calling abortion murder.I think it might simply because many people don't like Scripture being bastardized in this way. As the priest said in the cited article, "The most basic level of loving your neighbor as yourself is not killing your neighbor, yet that's exactly what abortion does."
Oh i can think of quite a few other recoursesUnfortunately the moronic Christian talking heads are speaking to a power base big enough to create bills, pass legislation and place similar moronic Christian talking heads on the Supreme Court.
A study on the % of the population that it takes to effect change was done and reported in "Science"a highly respected journal of scientific science reporting and heavily juried articles.The study found that it takes only 25% of a population to change the course of direction of a population.
Scientific American: The 25% Revolution—How Big Does a Minority Have to Be to Reshape Society? - Center for Health Incentives and Behavioral Economics (CHIBE)
“A new study about the power of committed minorities to shift conventional thinking offers some surprising possible answers. Published this week in Science, the paper describes an online experiment in which researchers sought to determine what percentage of total population a minority needs to...chibe.upenn.edu
According to "FiveThirtyEight" as of September 24 2022 Trump has a favorability rating of 43%. That's more than the 255 needed to effect radical change. Even if he is not elected president in 2024 there are Senators and Representatives that are legislating his political agenda.
The talking heads on Fox may be moronic but they are a political force whether we approve of them or not. The only recourse to their Christian theo-oligarchy is to vote for candidates that are not fighting for a dystopian religious America.
I have been pro-choice since the first moment I ever knew there was such a thing as an anti-abortion law. I read in the paper that Texas TV child show host Sherri Finkbine, mother of five or six already, was pregnant with a fetus horribly deformed by thalidomide and had to leave the US and go to Sweden to have an abortion.Abortion is more than a cause for you.
No, we need laws to prevent other people from using embryos and fetuses as rape tools to rape girls and women against their will until the latter give them babies.You need laws to hold your own opinion?
Pro-choice people are NOT forcing their beliefs on others. That's the point. When laws are pro-choice, each separate individual can act in accord with what she believes and each doctor can do so, too. When laws aren't pro-choice, they force one belief on all the separate individuals and doctors.Thank you for the clarification. Of course, those who are pro-choice are not any more entitled to force their beliefs on others, and I'm sure you acknowledge this too.
This is ideological BS.Whatever you say, Lursa. I asked Hari Seldon for a clarification and then expanded what he said. Trying to impose one's will/opinion on others is not exclusive to any one side of any issue.
Jesus never said anything about abortion.I believe in free will. God gives us a choice. As for religion, Jesus said he is the only way to heaven. I believe him so I repeat what he said. That’s the truth and you don’t like it.
If that is what you believe, knock yourself out. Just don't force those values and beliefs on me and mine. I don't share your values or belief system and we live in a country governed by a constitution which has NO mention of God or any specific religion. We each get to choose.No true Christian lives by their own values. We do our best to live according to Gods values and encourage others to do the same. We all fall short.
I disagree with the wording. An infinitely powerful God can choose to confer free will on creatures. An infinitely intelligent God and infinite Truth can encompass within God's universe new free expressions of creatures. Of course, just because I believe it doesn't make it true. But it's not contradictory.An omnipotent, omniscient God negates the possibility of free will. Just because you believe something as "truth" doesn't make it truth.
You are conceptualizing God differently. Omniscient Mind and Infinite True Intelligent Mind are not the same. You are making God a reader of an already written novel. But God can be actively writing the novel. Of course, you can be a determinist if you want, but when you put a fixed boundary around it, it's not infinite.Not if God already knows the choice in advance with absolute certainty before we're even born or before the universe was created.
I'm not sure why you are instructing me on where to post; I've not offered any religious dogma, period.How about some examples if you really believe pro-choice is forcing anti-abortion advocates into believing something they don't want to believe. Posting religious views as facts and having a pro-choice advocate correct the statement is not forcing a view on anyone. It's simply keeping the discussion fact based. If you want to post religious dogma as truth then you should be posting on the Religion sub forum, not Abortion.
I understand perfectly: You are not able to acknowledge the possibility of anything other than your own opinions. Those who are pro-choice would never try to impose their beliefs on anybody else; all those who are pro-life are trying to force others to accept their opinions. Got it.Which Pro-Choice people are forcing you to have an abortion? Because THAT would be forcing their beliefs onto you, not what you just wrote. In other words it is STILL the pro-life people that are forcing their beliefs on others, not the other way around.
I'm pretty sure that most people when referring to elective abortion are not referring to an already dead or miscarried fetus.Well many abortions involve an already dead or miscarried fetus. This is the deceit of calling abortion murder.
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