Can you link what you’re talking about?I loaded munitions on American fighter aircraft years ago but only have basic knowledge of Russian fighter jets. The claim is it was piloted by the Russians, but I'm skeptical of claims by both sides I this war. Is there enough left to even tell?
Anybody know?
Serial numbers on various parts.Can you link what you’re talking about?
If you’re talking the current Russo-Ukrainian war, both sides (Largely) operate the same airframes. Russia operates some aircraft types that Ukraine doesn’t, like the Mig-31 but those aren’t being used to the best of my knowledge, it would be very difficult to tell unless you can spot insignia on the aircraft or have context clues.
Well unless there’s a public database on serials from SU-27 and Mig-29 aircraft that’s publicly accessible and we get footage of wreckage with such numbers visible it wouldn’t be something we could tell here. But if someone shows a piece of wreckage with a visible roundel on it or a dead/captured pilot with visible insignia or ID on their uniform we could accept that for purposes of the forumSerial numbers on various parts.
But no way to tell from just that image or even a walk around the site by a non expert.
I loaded munitions on American fighter aircraft years ago but only have basic knowledge of Russian fighter jets. The claim is it was piloted by the Russians, but I'm skeptical of claims by both sides I this war. Is there enough left to even tell?
Anybody know?
I was referring to professional investigators.Well unless there’s a public database on serials from SU-27 and Mig-29 aircraft that’s publicly accessible and we get footage of wreckage with such numbers visible it wouldn’t be something we could tell here. But if someone shows a piece of wreckage with a visible roundel on it or a dead/captured pilot with visible insignia or ID on their uniform we could accept that for purposes of the forum
I loaded munitions on American fighter aircraft years ago but only have basic knowledge of Russian fighter jets. The claim is it was piloted by the Russians, but I'm skeptical of claims by both sides I this war. Is there enough left to even tell?
Ukraine also had white tips as well as gray and black tips on their flankers as well, so that alone would not make it russian.The tip of the nose looks white, which would make it Russian, but better confirmation would be needed.
There has been many lies and fakes from both sides, and both sides operate the same gear. Many fakes were circulated at the start, including airborne footage from 2015, images from video games, and a short lived video on social media that was taken down around day 2 of the war, showing supposed russian gear destroyed, only for the video to still have ukrainian markings with rus half assed painted on the armor, and the armor being shown looked like a defensive position not offensive, like they were hit in an air strike and hastily painted to made appear to be the enemy equipment.I loaded munitions on American fighter aircraft years ago but only have basic knowledge of Russian fighter jets. The claim is it was piloted by the Russians, but I'm skeptical of claims by both sides I this war. Is there enough left to even tell?
Anybody know?
There’s one difference though, some ukranian aircraft are painted with a digital camouflage scheme. The Russians from what I’ve seen do not use a digital pattern for aircraft camouflage.There has been many lies and fakes from both sides, and both sides operate the same gear. Many fakes were circulated at the start, including airborne footage from 2015, images from video games, and a short lived video on social media that was taken down around day 2 of the war, showing supposed russian gear destroyed, only for the video to still have ukrainian markings with rus half assed painted on the armor, and the armor being shown looked like a defensive position not offensive, like they were hit in an air strike and hastily painted to made appear to be the enemy equipment.
Part of the problem with that image is that russia and ukraine both use flankers, and even use identical blue and white camo for them, short of serial numbers the easiest identifier is whether or not it has the russian star on the tail or wings, which there is not enough of the jet left to tell.
The other thing too is the terrain, it is featureless and looks like it might be desert, without a wider view there is no way to prove the image is even in ukraine, and not an image of a jet wrecked in training, or shot down years ago over syria during that conflict.
Yes ukraine is the side using digital camo, however ukraine also uses the blue and white non digital camo.There’s one difference though, some ukranian aircraft are painted with a digital camouflage scheme. The Russians from what I’ve seen do not use a digital pattern for aircraft camouflage.
This is the Ukranian
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You can see pixels.
Russia uses several camouflage schemes depending on where the aircraft is based and whether it’s part of a ground attack or air defense squadron on their Sukhois.
But they’re all ones using rounded “splotches”
Of course this is hard to tell from most cameras on the ground because the camera can’t catch more then a silhouette.
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Ukraine also had white tips as well as gray and black tips on their flankers as well, so that alone would not make it russian.
Not entirely true most of theirs are gray or black but they do or atleast did have some with white tips
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I can not find full information on how many or if all or not were repainted then, nor how many have come out of storage since then either(I think they had 6 left in use only a few years ago but got the number up to 12 recently).That image is from 1996. The Ukrainians repainted their Sukhois after 2014 to the gray-tip digital sky blue camo we see today.
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Anybody know?
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