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Is there any way to cure a truther?[W:2707]

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Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

you did not answer the question.

What sources do you use? Please list them.

Are you saying CT sites only post the truth? Are you saying CT authors only write the truth?

any author is fallible.... so be it, HOWEVER, in comparison with known standards like the laws of physics.
I do have a problem with people who speculate and believe they have it all figured out, such as the
mini-nukes faction or the weaponized laser "death ray" faction, the one thing that I can say with certainty is that the "collapse" of WTC 1, 2 & 7 had additional sources of energy to power the "collapse" + logic & reason tell me that there were NO airliners used as weapons that day - in part the logic is thus, the events of 9/11/2001 had to have been planned, and at this point its not relevant if the planning was going on in a cave in the middle east or in some posh office, the planners of these sorts of things do NOT gamble they invest in sure-thing operations. Given that there is NO precedent for an aircraft to have breached a wall and penetrated completely ( thus insuring the total destruction of damning evidence ) WHY should the planners gamble on a bit where the airliners could have bounced off the towers, note that a .45 bullet will bounce off of a plate-glass window if the angle is right,
too many variables, how do you guarantee success in this sort of thing, fake the planes and lie to the public.
One thing that the "truth movement" gets accused of all too often is "argument from incredulity" HOWEVER, the supporters of the 19 suicidal fanatics story will say "OH but HOW could it possibly have been done" that is faking airliner crashes into the WTC & Pentagon. PLEASE, back to forensics 101, once we know that a crime has been committed, the first thing to do is compile evidence, NOT speculate as to who did it & why, get the evidence together and it will tell the story.
part of the problem here is that the rubble pile from WTC 1, 2, & 7 had been removed in haste, and how much if any forensic examination of the rubble pile was done before Mayor Giuliani ordered the trucks to roll all night to remove material from ground zero and deposit it in a land fill. This whole bit reeks of a cover-up, what did Giuliani NOT want seen?
 
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as you stated , "any author is fallible".

So answer this, why would the planners gamble with a jet hitting the building and risk disrupting the CD?

You still have not stated where you get your info from.
 
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as you stated , "any author is fallible".

So answer this, why would the planners gamble with a jet hitting the building and risk disrupting the CD?

You still have not stated where you get your info from.
that is the point, the airliner crashes were FAKE!

No hijackings, no 19 suicidal fanatics,

I'm sorry people, the emperor is truly NAKED!

9/11/2001 = the BIG LIE
 
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that is the point, the airliner crashes were FAKE!

No hijackings, no 19 suicidal fanatics,

I'm sorry people, the emperor is truly NAKED!

9/11/2001 = the BIG LIE

NO HD err I mean MK the crashes were not faked only liars and morons could possibly think so.
 
Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

that is the point, the airliner crashes were FAKE!

No hijackings, no 19 suicidal fanatics,

I'm sorry people, the emperor is truly NAKED!

9/11/2001 = the BIG LIE

site your source.

MK posts = BIG Lies and bs.
 
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Just had a thought. Have they done any tests with professional airline pilots to see if they could fly the path for the south tower impact? What would it mean if they had a hit rate below 50%?

psik
 
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Just had a thought. Have they done any tests with professional airline pilots to see if they could fly the path for the south tower impact? What would it mean if they had a hit rate below 50%?

psik

Why would that matter? Maybe the pilot or the auto pilot got lucky... 1 in a million... like winning the lotto.

An AP driving the plane using a GPS and waypoint will make continuous course course correction and hit the waypoint with a few meter accuracy.

It appears to me that those planes were following a some sort of guidance system and the control surfaces were operated by the AP not manually by a pilot.

Maybe.
 
Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

Just had a thought. Have they done any tests with professional airline pilots to see if they could fly the path for the south tower impact? What would it mean if they had a hit rate below 50%?

psik

Don't know about the WTC but low time and student pilots have had no problem hitting the pentagon using flight simulators. Something the no plane hit the pentagon truthres have trouble accepting cause it doesn't fir with their narrative. I seriously doubt professional pilots would have a hard time.
 
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somewhat true.

So what is your solution.

I don't have a solution Mike. Rather, I would ask you "what's the problem?"

We're talking about historical events. Most people know the official story was a lie and the 911 Commission a sham. Good heavens, most members of the Commission have mentioned that in public.

There is no solution, only understanding of what happened. It's over and done. We're in two endless wars, our Constitution and legal principles have been shredded, and my children and grandchildren have been saddled with endless and impossible debt.

It's over and done my friend. There ain't no "solution".
 
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Just had a thought. Have they done any tests with professional airline pilots to see if they could fly the path for the south tower impact? What would it mean if they had a hit rate below 50%?

psik

Here's a little story about that.

When this happened, you recall, nobody except privileged people were allowed to fly for about a week or so.

Several pilots were in training in the 737 sim out in Phoenix area as I recall. They had to stay there for several days because they could not airline back home.

Their instructor had New York in the database of the sim, and just killing time they all decided to see if they could fly the sim into the towers. At first they could not do it, and finally the instructor himself tried. It took several attempts before he succeeded.

Induced Dutch Roll tendency was the supposed reason for their inability to hit the tower.

Anecdotal evidence, to be sure, but interesting.
 
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Despite our differences, I must concur with nearly everything you said as it is written there. The reservation is particularly on what comprises our respective definitions of 'official story' and 'lies'. The 911 Commission WAS a sham, the report read like a bad TV treatment regardless of the veracity of contents. But a lot of things which are called official lies I know with certainty are not. And a lot of alternatives in any case are fallacious, depend on faulty evidence or examination thereof, or even border on insane. These factors come to bear when it comes to the credibility of ALL TYPES of dissent and handling of grievances, as one turd (usually) spoils the whole box of chocolates.

I cannot even raise the issue of the socio-politics leading up to and subsequent to 9/11 in polite and intelligent company without getting THAT look. Thanks a lot.
 
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I guess I also disagree with the "two endless wars" clause, but I think I agree with the intent of the remark. If you count individual nations, as I do and anyone should, it's more than two wars. Since there is no termination condition for any of these actions and the potential for additional new actions is an ever-present reality, I would rephrase that to simply "endless wars".
 
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Got any links to prove this story? Of course not its a fabrication like all your other crap!
 
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While a liked your reply, you may have missed what I was asking your thoughts on.

You stated, "That's assuming that any given court in the US serves truth and justice, an invalid and poor assumption"

So you have not thoughts on how to ensure our courts serves truth and justice?
 
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Ahhh, but there is... and it's only a few weeks away.... stay tuned.
 
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How about "multiple major theater engagements with simultaneous small interventions anywhere on the globe"?

[PNAC RAD document]
 
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starts at 1:50


There are several false assumptions there. For one, they did not have to do the equivalent of parking at a high rate of speed without hitting anything else. All they had to do was hit the freaking building. Period. So to be more accurate, they should have shown how hard it would have been at 90 mph to run your car into the house.

Sorry, but that entire video pretty much is a big load of fail.
 
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As I said, the verification you asked for started at 1:50. Why do you ignore that content and focus on the cartoon that comes before, instead of on the experienced pilots and industry standard flight simulator?

Sorry, your reply was a big load of fail. What is your issue with the actual simulation of experienced pilots?
 
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That video's "style" reminds me of this... :lamo


Fallen.
 
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starts at 1:50


Seen that video before what a load of crap! a guy trying to miss something will miss almost everytime
 
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Can you provide a link to this information?

psik
 
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Like I've been saying all along, NO hijackings no suicidal radicals ...
NONE OF THAT! WE THE PEOPLE have been lied to!
 
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