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So, put the jet ski, dirt bike, snow mobiles, RVs, etc companies and associated repair shops and industries out of business?
The landscaping companies out of business?
No - reduce the oil company's profits, and reduce our grotesque dependency on them. Big difference. How do you not get that?Seems like a solid economic strategy.
No…you said “no recreational use of fossil fuels”No - reduce the oil company's profits, and reduce our grotesque dependency on them. Big difference. How do you not get that?
What a feeble and bogus retort. Did you think we should all run out and buy Kawasakis just to keep their industry in business? Are you really unable to imagine other things to spend your money on that don't involve burning more fossil fuels every time you use them?
Correct. Biden can change that by reversing his oil/gas policies. Open the pipelines and the Federal lands. Investors would feel more confident in their investments. Oil companies will feel more confident in investing in exploration and development. Futures markets would stabilize and as oil is produced, supply meets demand and the price of oil will decrease.If not, there is only one thing causing the price of oil to rise, speculation in the markets, period. If you disagree please state your reason/s why.
I always do.No…you said “no recreational use of fossil fuels”
Stand by your words.
No it does not - unless you're ignorant enough to believe that 1) they depend entirely on us, (they don't) and 2) that we're somehow obliged to sustain them, (we are not!) and 3) that the impact of this will happen overnight, (it cannot and will not!) and 4) their industries cannot adapt to changing consumer demands (they had better be able to, or they will simply go the way of every other obsolete industry in the "free market" world of supply and demand)No recreational use of fossil fuels means destroying countless industries
No - don't.Correct. Biden can change that by reversing his oil/gas policies. Open the pipelines and the Federal lands.
That's the last thing we need investment in. Every single penny slated for oil exploration and development should be redirected toward the development, creation and production of sustainable alternatives. If we had been doing that for the past 30+ years, we would have already weaned ourselves off of our oil addiction.Investors would feel more confident in their investments. Oil companies will feel more confident in investing in exploration and development.
The price of oil should continue to rise until it begins to approach what it actually costs us - including the costs of cleanup, and the costs of healthcare for those it poisons, and it should have no government subsidies for the industry. Zero.Futures markets would stabilize and as oil is produced, supply meets demand and the price of oil will decrease.
Next time you are in your apartment, do a 360 and tell me what isn't manufactured with some form of energy.No - don't.
That's the last thing we need investment in. Every single penny slated for oil exploration and development should be redirected toward the development, creation and production of sustainable alternatives. If we had been doing that for the past 30+ years, we would have already weaned ourselves off of our oil addiction.
The price of oil should continue to rise until it begins to approach what it actually costs us - including the costs of cleanup, and the costs of healthcare for those it poisons, and it should have no government subsidies for the industry. Zero.
How stupid can you get?Next time you are in your apartment, do a 360 and tell me what isn't manufactured with some form of energy.
If you live in NYC, you probably don't own a vehicle, that would be stupid.
What energy was produced to manufacture your bike.
About one-third of the energy used in the United States went to industry. That’s understandable in view of the wide range of activity in this economic sector. Every product on which we rely—from gasoline and automobiles to food, buildings, machinery, and appliances—takes energy to produce. The use of energy in industry affects every single citizen directly through the cost of goods and services, the quality of manufactured products, the strength of the economy, and the availability of jobs.
The industrial sector uses energy in many ways. One major application involves raising the temperature of components in the manufacturing process, which is called process heating. Refining crude oil, where heat is used to separate various distillates, is an example of this. Another common use of energy in industry is to heat a boiler that generates steam or hot water.
A few industries use a very large share of energy in the industrial sector. Petroleum refining is the principal consumer, with the chemical industry a close second. Those users, plus the paper and metal industries, account for 78% of total industrial energy use.
Industry and manufacturing rely heavily on natural gas (30% of all energy consumed by the industrial sector in 2015), petroleum and other liquids (26%), and electricity (10%), with coal, renewables, and biofuels making up the rest.
Make a statement and stop wearing clothing.
The fool persists in their folly.Forget about the bike, you need to walk
What an embarrassingly feeble argument. In a nutshell, it amounts to "Everything we have all required energy in manufacture and transportation - therefore who gives a shit about how much more energy we waste?" If this is the best you can do, then you are hopeless.Your computer is made up of a fantastic array of different materials, including steel, glass, silica sand, iron ore, gold, bauxite and a lot of others. All of those raw materials have to come from somewhere, such as mines.
Why do you have a computer? Don't you know they mine materials to make your computer.
Price equilibrates supply and demand. So, no there is no “shortage”. There is higher price due to demand exceeding supply at the old price.If not, there is only one thing causing the price of oil to rise, speculation in the markets, period. If you disagree please state your reason/s why.
Internationally determined by whom? Which nations am I complaining about?Not at all, you are complaining about not being able to control other nations and you refuse to acknowledge oil is internationally price determined.
Maybe you didn't hear the president the other day telling us the oil companies have thousands of leases on lands they are not using so why are you blaming the prez for them not using them?Correct. Biden can change that by reversing his oil/gas policies. Open the pipelines and the Federal lands. Investors would feel more confident in their investments. Oil companies will feel more confident in investing in exploration and development. Futures markets would stabilize and as oil is produced, supply meets demand and the price of oil will decrease.
Indeed it is. As I stated earlier, countries who produce oil like saudi arabia set a price they would like to get per barrel and speculators in the oil markets change that price daily.Speculation is how oil is priced.
Keep that in mind when paying six bucks or so for a gallon of gas, and no complaining.Likely speculation about future shortage which might or might not turn out accurate is part of the story.
Either way, it's not evil and not even hurtful, speculation serves a useful purpose.
I will. This is just math. Without speculation prices would be higher on average.Keep that in mind when paying six bucks or so for a gallon of gas, and no complaining.
Internationally determined by whom? Which nations am I complaining about?
And what besides the market wwhatever? been better at preventing the shortage of toilet paper you mentioned or whstever?An increase in gas prices at the pump can occur due to either a real shortage or a perception of a shortage by the public at large. The perception of a shortage can even cause a real shortage. Witness the shortage of toilet tissue in US stores at the beginning of the Covid-19 viral pandemic.
The functioning of 'The market', for all of the extolling of its virtues in some quarters, does not always provide the best resolution of societal factors.
Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n remember the Big 5.
I am only responding to statements you've made and now you are saying I'm not offering a real argument when I have repeatedly, speculation in the markets. It is not my fault you refuse to accept that answer and call it bullshit but not providing any facts to refute my response. Something about other people and countries and world wide something or other but no actual facts as to how they are right now influencing the price of a barrel of oil.Why don't you come down from the cheap seats and make a real argument.
Prove, or at least argue, that there is no shortage and this is all the fault of speculation. No bumper sticker one liner rhetoric you picked up off left leaning talk shows or some ill formed social media post, an actual argument.
I am only responding to statements you've made and now you are saying I'm not offering a real argument when I have repeatedly, speculation in the markets. It is not my fault you refuse to accept that answer and call it bullshit but not providing any facts to refute my response. Something about other people and countries and world wide something or other but no actual facts as to how they are right now influencing the price of a barrel of oil.
No, there is not a gas shortage right now
There is plenty of gas coming into America and being produced in the U.S.www.wcnc.com
You missed another post of mine which explained your question.Maybe you didn't hear the president the other day telling us the oil companies have thousands of leases on lands they are not using so why are you blaming the prez for them not using them?
Not as stupid to believe we can eliminate fossil fuels.How stupid can you get?
The fool persists in their folly.
What an embarrassingly feeble argument. In a nutshell, it amounts to "Everything we have all required energy in manufacture and transportation - therefore who gives a shit about how much more energy we waste?" If this is the best you can do, then you are hopeless.
Who said they can be "eliminated"?Not as stupid to believe we can eliminate fossil fuels.
Who said they can be "eliminated"?
No - don't.Correct. Biden can change that by reversing his oil/gas policies. Open the pipelines and the Federal lands.
That's the last thing we need investment in. Every single penny slated for oil exploration and development should be redirected toward the development, creation and production of sustainable alternatives. If we had been doing that for the past 30+ years, we would have already weaned ourselves off of our oil addiction.Investors would feel more confident in their investments. Oil companies will feel more confident in investing in exploration and development.
The price of oil should continue to rise until it begins to approach what it actually costs us - including the costs of cleanup, and the costs of healthcare for those it poisons, and it should have no government subsidies for the industry. Zero.Futures markets would stabilize and as oil is produced, supply meets demand and the price of oil will decrease.
Who said they can be "eliminated"?
A lofty goal, but it sounds like political hyperbole to me - pandering to the environmental wing. I don't know that there will ever come a day when no petroleum products are in use - even if for no other reason than lubrication for alternative energy generation.Joe Biden: "We Are Going To Get Rid of Fossil Fuels" - Americans for Tax Reform
Joe Biden said during a rally this week that he wants to “get rid of fossil fuels.” Biden said: “We are going to get rid of fossil fuels.” Referring to protestors who interrupted the event, Biden said: “That’s okay, these guys are okay, they want to do the same thing that I want to do, […]www.atr.org
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