Let me just deal a factual blow to atheism, just so to get it out of the way: atheism contradicts its own worldview by believing the universe has a natural cause despite the lack of observational evidence for such a belief.
Atheism isn't a worldview but rather a lack there of. Nor does it make any claim on the origin of the universe.
The fact that you think the world was not created by a God.....is a worldview.
This thread was created in response to Frank Apisa's request for me to provide evidences for the existence of God. I didn't get the chance to do a research actually.....and didn't gather all the evidences that can be presented. There will be numerous evidences given, and no doubt there will be attempts at rebuttals for each and every one at them. They're listed not in the order of any ranking.
But at the end of the day.....the main evidence that I'll give - there's no getting around it if we're going to use logic - is the fact that all the evidences for God that will be given, are "CUMULATIVE EVIDENCE." ]
No, it's a lack of one. It is like implying not believing in fairies or Santa Claus is a world view.
Atheism isn't a worldview but rather a lack there of. Nor does it make any claim on the origin of the universe.
Thank you for this attempt, Tosca...you apparently put lots of work into it.
What I do not see, however, is any evidence for the existence of a god...whether as an individual item or as an accumulation of items that could be termed "cumulative evidence."
And while you said I asked for "evidence of the existence of a god"...I usually ask for UNAMBIGUOUS evidence of the existence of a god. If I didn't term it that way, I apologize.
As nearly as I can tell...there is no unambiguous evidence for the existence of a god...just as there is no unambiguous evidence that gods do not exist.
Anyone asserting "there is a GOD" or "there are no gods"...seems, to me, to be simply asserting a guess about the true nature of REALITY.
If you honestly think there are individual pieces of evidence that accumulate to unambiguous cumulative evidence...please name the single most compelling item...and we can discuss it individually.
If you say so, okay. So you don't have a worldview. Noted.
Now, let's get back to the evidences for God.
So...you think that atheism is a lack of a worldview????
And while you said I asked for "evidence of the existence of a god"...I usually ask for UNAMBIGUOUS evidence of the existence of a god. If I didn't term it that way, I apologize.
Are you saying that information provided by science are not true?
If there is a "God" it certainly is not the "God" of the bible.
Which is 100% man made invention.
Then, you're not merely asking for evidence. You're asking for a proof.
You want the smoking gun. Well....you know we don't have that irrefutable proof that shows the stamp that says, "Made by God."
I'm saying that I do not see anything you posted...as unambiguous evidence for the existence of a god.
Please point out the most compelling item in your list (which is difficult to discern) and we can discuss it. After that, we can discuss the next...until we actually have a "cumulative" mass of "evidence."
Honestly, I do not see ANY item I would consider evidence of the existence of a god.
Not a one.
That is because atheism is simply a lack of a belief. That is the definition of the word. I apologize that English defies you and Tosca.
God, is God of the Bible.
That's for another topic, Jetboogieman. That too, has its own cumulative evidences.
Like I said.....there is that pattern.
The most compelling answer would be all those individual evidence for design......CUMULATIVE EVIDENCES.......all lumped together as ONE!
So "trees" "rocks" "buffalo" "lakes" "lice" "paper" MAY BE all evidence of a god.
But if there is no god...all those things are evidence of no god.
Thank you for this attempt, Tosca...you apparently put lots of work into it.
What I do not see, however, is any evidence for the existence of a god...whether as an individual item or as an accumulation of items that could be termed "cumulative evidence."
And while you said I asked for "evidence of the existence of a god"...I usually ask for UNAMBIGUOUS evidence of the existence of a god. If I didn't term it that way, I apologize.
As nearly as I can tell...there is no unambiguous evidence for the existence of a god...just as there is no unambiguous evidence that gods do not exist.
Anyone asserting "there is a GOD" or "there are no gods"...seems, to me, to be simply asserting a guess about the true nature of REALITY.
If you honestly think there are individual pieces of evidence that accumulate to unambiguous cumulative evidence...please name the single most compelling item...and we can discuss it individually.
It is not the definition of the word.
It is one definition...and the one most often used by Internet atheists. But defining it that way flies in the face of reason.
Why "simply a lack of a belief?"
Okay...but since I do not see even one piece of evidence leading to "therefore gods exist"...there is no CUMULATIVE EVIDENCE.
So we are back to square one.
Evidence that can be interpreted in multiple and contradictory ways in not evidence, unless put together with other evidence that preclude those contradictory interpretations. Thus it can be ambiguous but put together can lead to a probability, or as Tosca says cumulative evidence. However there isn't any evidence as such provided. So not only is there no evidence ambiguous there is no cumulative evidence.
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