Is the Soul Real?

[Gordy327]

I asked you to explain consciousness and you compared it to AI which is intelligent design that has a creator.

Do you apply the assumption of "intelligent design" to humans? And I asked you to explain how consciousness is the product of a soul. Surely you can cite some medical journals which affirms your assertion, right? While you answer that question, perhaps you can answer the other questions I asked:

Does a brain dead individual have consciousness or a soul? What about in brain injury or persistent vegetative state?
Does a brain dead individual have consciousness or a soul?

 

[CLAX1911]

Do you apply the assumption of "intelligent design" to humans?

You do you compared them to AI I didn't do that.

And I asked you to explain how consciousness is the product of a soul.

Again I don't know. Your explanation of it is poor.

Surely you can cite some medical journals which affirms your assertion, right?

I think the only assertion that I made is that your explanation is poor so poor you had to compare it to something that had a creator.

While you answer that question, perhaps you can answer the other questions I asked:

I don't answer questions about things I didn't say.

Does a brain dead individual have consciousness or a soul?

I don't know.

What about in brain injury or persistent vegetative state?

I don't know.

Does a brain dead individual have consciousness or a soul?

I don't know.

 

[redbeer]

Only GOD (made up of the FATHER, SON, and HOLY SPIRIT) is immortal because HE has always existed. HE has no beginning and no end. We have a mortal body because it has both a beginning and it will die. Our soul has a beginning but will exist into eternity and will one day be united with a new body that will be eternal. Our future form of immortality is entirely dependent on the existence of GOD.

Always cracks me up seeing trinitarians speak of three persons as a singular He, then pretend to have the authority to speak such nonsense. Mystery Babylon comes in sheep's clothing, without a doubt.

l Timothy 1:12-15
12 I thank him who has given me strength, Christ Jesus our Lord, because he judged me faithful, appointing me to his service, 13 though formerly I was a blasphemer, persecutor, and insolent opponent. But I received mercy because I had acted ignorantly in unbelief, 14 and the grace of our Lord overflowed for me with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus. 15 The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the foremost.

NO, Jesus came to save.

Well of course, coming to know the One True God is only possible through Jesus the Christ. The tri-headed singular beast is NOT the Father and only true God of Christ.

Living is not merely existing. Living is having a future of interaction with GOD and full of new hope and joy. Hell is existing with memories of one's former choices.

Hell is death and the wages thereof.

The Bible also says that JESUS cause HIMSELF to rise from the grave.

You are free to believe Jesus was dead or only seemed to die like just a 'nature' died, the choice is yours.

 

[redbeer]

In Acts 2:24, Peter says that “God raised [Jesus] from the dead.” So that’s the basic answer. God resurrected Jesus. As we read more Scripture, that basic answer becomes more nuanced.

The Bible indicates that all three Persons of the Trinity were involved in Jesus’ resurrection. Galatians 1:1 says that the Father raised Jesus from the dead. First Peter 3:18 says that the Spirit raised Jesus from the dead (see also Romans 1:4, and note that Romans 8:11 clearly says that God will resurrect believers “through His Spirit”). And in John 2:19 Jesus predicts that He will raise Himself from the dead (see also John 10:18). So, when we answer the question of who resurrected Jesus, we can say God did. And by that we can mean it was the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Who resurrected Jesus from the dead? God did, and by that we mean all three Persons of the Trinity were involved. All three Persons of the Trinity participated in creation (1 Corinthians 8:6; Genesis 1:1–2). All three are involved in salvation (John 3:6, 16). And all three are responsible for the resurrection of Christ Jesus. For the full article please look here: https://www.gotquestions.org/who-resurrected-Jesus.html

You don't comprehend that there are types of death and the Bible clearly eludes to this.

Matthew 10:15​

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15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. How can it be more tolerable if they are already dead as you imagine "death" to be...

It's always amazing to see the power of trinitarian glasses in how scripture can be twisted to mean anything. Bottom line is trins only have a "human nature" which died for your sins, for it's not possible for your Christ to die, being God.

God is the Father, God is Spirit......think on these two simple, true statements for a minute. Your above dissertation was just obliterated.

We all 'die' physically......we all will be resurrected 'physically' to be judged......some to Life and will receive the promises, while some will receive the wages of sin, thrown into the Lake of Fire and be eternally consumed receiving the wages of sin, which is death.

Your idea of death is not death at all, but life albeit in a sick sadistic way.

 

[CLAX1911]

Always cracks me up seeing trinitarians speak of three persons as a singular He, then pretend to have the authority to speak such nonsense.

It's not three persons it's three manifestations of the same deity

Mystery Babylon comes in sheep's clothing, without a doubt.



Well of course, coming to know the One True God is only possible through Jesus the Christ. The tri-headed singular beast is NOT the Father and only true God of Christ.

Hell is death and the wages thereof.



You are free to believe Jesus was dead or only seemed to die like just a 'nature' died, the choice is yours.

 

[redbeer]

It's not three persons it's three manifestations of the same deity

So, it's one, singular God simply manifesting as three different personalities/roles. Okay, guess that's another way of seeing it......guess it all comes down if one believes God became a man or not.

 

[CLAX1911]

So, it's one, singular God

Yes.

simply manifesting as three different personalities/roles.

Okay, guess that's another way of seeing it......guess it all comes down if one believes God became a man or not.

Seems like that's a foundational component of Christianity.

 

[redbeer]

Yes.


Seems like that's a foundational component of Christianity.

Yet, the one who they say was a God who became a man never said such things and on the contrary opposed such nonsense. Stating many times his Father is the only true God, that His Father was in him, spiritually. It never was that God became a man, but it was that God was 'in' Christ.......they have missed the entire point to the coming of the Christ.

God did not become a man. God did not die on the cross.......Jesus the Christ did. God was working mighty works and wonders "through" Jesus for God was with him and in him. As the Israelites of old grew tired of waiting for Moses to come down from the Mount, they became idolatrous creating a "golden cow" to worship, so these have in creating a 'golden calf' creating a "Godman" to themselves.

 

[CLAX1911]

Yet, the one who they say was a God who became a man never said such things and on the contrary opposed such nonsense. Stating many times his Father is the only true God, that His Father was in him, spiritually. It never was that God became a man, but it was that God was 'in' Christ.......they have missed the entire point to the coming of the Christ.

God did not become a man. God did not die on the cross.......Jesus the Christ did.

That's like me saying Martha didn't give birth to me my mom did not mentioning that Martha is my mother.

God was working mighty works and wonders "through" Jesus for God was with him and in him. As the Israelites of old grew tired of waiting for Moses to come down from the Mount, they became idolatrous creating a "golden cow" to worship, so these have in creating a 'golden calf' creating a "Godman" to themselves.

 

[redbeer]

That's like me saying Martha didn't give birth to me my mom did not mentioning that Martha is my mother.

God (Father) conceived miraculously in the womb of Mary (Mother) and that which was born is Jesus the Christ of God, a true mortal human being, for the cross proves it. Jesus is not his Father nor his Mother, but a product of them, as are we all.

It's Jesus' blood which saves us, not his divinity, as they say. God coming to save us from Himself is ridiculous, unscriptural and untrue.

 

[Daisy]

The humble will hear and rejoice.

"Why is it thought incredible by any of you that God raises the dead?" (Act 26:8)"And God raised the Lord and will also raise us up by his power." (1 Corinthians 6:14)

Many mainstream Christians claim that at death, only the body dies while the soul lives on, consciously entering the presence of God. In this view, believers never really die—they skip over death entirely by transitioning instantly into eternal life.

There is no place in the Bible that defines death as the separation of the soul from the body.

So where did this concept come from? From Plato. The idea that "death is the separation of the soul from the body" comes from Greek philosophy, especially Plato. In his dialogue Phaedo (also called On the Soul), Plato, through the voice of Socrates, taught that:

“Death is the separation of the soul from the body... and the state of being dead is the soul’s being alone by itself, apart from the body.”— Phaedo 64c, 67d

 

[CLAX1911]

God (Father) conceived miraculously in the womb of Mary (Mother) and that which was born is Jesus the Christ of God, a true mortal human being, for the cross proves it. Jesus is not his Father nor his Mother, but a product of them, as are we all.

Jesus is God the Father the son and the holy Spirit they all three of them is one God it's just different manifestations and you ask how is this possible he's God that's how

It's Jesus' blood which saves us, not his divinity, as they say. God coming to save us from Himself is ridiculous, unscriptural and untrue.

He's not here to save us from himself. Here to save us from sin.

 

[Metanoia]

Many mainstream Christians claim that at death, only the body dies while the soul lives on, consciously entering the presence of God. In this view, believers never really die—they skip over death entirely by transitioning instantly into eternal life.

There is no place in the Bible that defines death as the separation of the soul from the body.

I look at Isaiah 53:12……KJV……”he hath poured out his soul into death”…..NIV….”he poured out his life unto death”

Now that seems to indicate the loss of the soul is death…..IMO people make a mistake by understanding soul as being synonymous with Spirit. I understand Spirit as being incorruptible and eternal while soul has neither one of these attributes.

 

[Daisy]

I look at Isaiah 53:12……KJV……”he hath poured out his soul into death”…..NIV….”he poured out his life unto death”

Now that seems to indicate the loss of the soul is death…..IMO people make a mistake by understanding soul as being synonymous with Spirit. I understand Spirit as being incorruptible and eternal while soul has neither one of these attributes.

Correct, and the person was never in heaven with God...what “returns” to God is the vital life force that enabled the person to live...the life force Jehovah God gives to all living creatures...

“There is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit, so that there is no superiority of the man over the beast.” Ecclesiastes 3:19

"Then the dust returns to the earth, just as it was, and the spirit returns to the true God who gave it." Ecclesiastes 12:7