Is the Government torturing Green Card Holders Now?

[Visbek]

CBP is never going to tell you the specifics of any person's individual case. Privacy and all.

Does that also explain why they are preventing detainees from communicating with everyone, including family and their own attorneys?

 

[Grizzly Adams]

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Yeah, that has nothing to do with anything I said.

Does that also explain why they are preventing detainees from communicating with everyone, including family and their own attorneys?

I have no information on this. I'd believe that during their immigration inspection they aren't allowed to make contact. I'm less inclined to believe they were perpetually prevented from contacting anyone.

Also, you are not entitled to legal representation at the border unless there is a criminal interrogation being conducted. Your resident status being revoked is not a criminal interrogation.

 

[Visbek]

Yeah, that has nothing to do with anything I said.

It's my way of pointing out that instead of acknowledging that your claims have a serious issue, you just spontaneously fabricated a claim instead.

Meanwhile, ICE has been sued for denying medical care to detainees.

New lawsuit from detainees and advocacy groups claims ICE denied medical treatment

The lawsuit alleges that ICE has both delayed and denied medical and mental health care to detainees.

abcnews.go.com

The denial of care likely contributed to the deaths of over 50 detainees.

ICE detainee deaths could have been prevented, ACLU report says

Human rights organizations examined the deaths of 52 people in ICE custody over three years and found most could probably have been prevented with adequate medical care.

www.nbcnews.com

They're also certainly not terrified of getting sued. They're piling people into substandard facilities.

So no, ICE doesn't rush people to the hospital because they have the sniffles.

I have no information on this.

But you're going to comment anyway?

I had no idea that making uninformed claims is the path to debate success.

I'd believe that during their immigration inspection they aren't allowed to make contact.

What you should believe, based on publicly available facts, is that people detained by the INS are frequently barred from communications. This includes moving detainees to remote locations where family or attorneys can't reach them.

ICE Makes It Impossible for Immigrants in Detention to Contact Lawyers | ACLU

Immigration detention is inhumane, but so long as people are detained, ICE must ensure that detention facilities provide immigrants with timely access to counsel.

www.aclu.org

Isolated and Unreachable: Contesting Unconstitutional Restrictions on Communication in Immigration Detention - NYU Law Review

As of January 1, 2019, the federal government held more than 51,000 noncitizens in immigration detention. Over the course of a year, nearly half a million noncitizens will pass through Department of Homeland Security custody within the interior of the United States while the government initiates...

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More recently, Mahmoud Khalil was prevented from communicating with his attorneys. They've had to fight in court just to talk to him.

MSN

Also, you are not entitled to legal representation at the border unless there is a criminal interrogation being conducted. Your resident status being revoked is not a criminal interrogation.

Nope, wrong. The right to due process applies to everyone, including both legal permanent residents and undocumented migrants.

When it comes to immigration, the government is not required to provide an attorney. However, detainees are absolutely entitled to legal representation with immigration proceedings. It is unconstitutional, illegal and unethical to prevent detainees from communicating with their lawyers during immigration proceedings.

Maybe you should read up a tiny bit on the topic before responding. Just a suggestion.

 

[j brown's body]

CBP is never going to tell you the specifics of any person's individual case. Privacy and all.

They film it with background music to show on TV, but not give specifics.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

It's my way of pointing out that instead of acknowledging that your claims have a serious issue, you just spontaneously fabricated a claim instead.

Meanwhile, ICE has been sued for denying medical care to detainees.

It's weird that you say my claim is "fabricated" and then go on to cite examples of why they might have been concerned about being sued.

"These detainees weren't brought to a hospital!"

"Why did this detainee go to the hospital?!"

Be sure to bring a barf bucket for a 180 that fast and severe.

But you're going to comment anyway?

I meant that I didn't have any information about this specific instance and why it was done. But I can see how you read it a different way.

What you should believe, based on publicly available facts, is that people detained by the INS are frequently barred from communications. This includes moving detainees to remote locations where family or attorneys can't reach them.

They bring detainees where the detention centers are. THis is frequently in less-populated areas where land is cheap and jobs are scarce.

Nope, wrong. The right to due process applies to everyone, including both legal permanent residents and undocumented migrants.

During the inspection process, there is no right to an attorney. Refusal of admission is a civil administrative procedure, not a criminal one.

When it comes to immigration, the government is not required to provide an attorney. However, detainees are absolutely entitled to legal representation with immigration proceedings.

Before an immigration judge, yes. In filing immigration paperwork, yes. At the border, during the inspectional process, no.

Maybe you should read up a tiny bit on the topic before responding. Just a suggestion.

LOL.