LOL...okay .. you apparently didn't pay any attention to fluffy ninja s postsI ignored your question because it had no relevance. They didn't have trials. And the Supreme Court still ruled Confederate actions illegal and treasonous. Consequently, they were illegal and treason according to the US government. How do Davis and Lee change that? They don't. Thus concludes my acknowledgement of your irrelevant questions.
How does FN's post erase the judgment of the Supreme Court? I already explained to him that it doesn't and that disagreeing with the Supreme Court (as pro-lifer's do everyday for Roe v. Wade) does not erase their judgment. The SC said it's treason and illegal. Last time I checked, what the SC says is the law, so...unless you have a lawyer...LOL...okay .. you apparently didn't pay any attention to fluffy ninja s posts
How does FN's post erase the judgment of the Supreme Court? I already explained to him that it doesn't and that disagreeing with the Supreme Court (as pro-lifer's do everyday for Roe v. Wade) does not erase their judgment. The SC said it's treason and illegal. Last time I checked, what the SC says is the law, so...unless you have a lawyer...
I'm pretty sure he is being sarcastic...
Sure, which is why people are welcome to disagree with the Supreme Court as pro-lifers do everyday, but those disagreements have no effect on what the opinion of the government currently is.I agree with that comparison, but as we have seen in the Plessy decision as well as others, SCOTUS can be Supremely Wrong in their decisions.
The scary part is I don't think he is. Did you look at his prior arguments?
Sure, which is why people are welcome to disagree with the Supreme Court as pro-lifers do everyday, but those disagreements have no effect on what the opinion of the government currently is.
Well, it can be a symbol of many things, treason being one.
It can be a symbol for the Dukes of Hazzard county's car. The General Lee.
Fair enough. Cases please?
And even if so... does a case about the Confederacies actions make all symbols of the Confederate treasonous? Is the Chinese flag one of Crimes against Human Rights? Is the Iranian flag one of sexism? Is that it? One action decides the entirety of the symbol?
I don't know what the "Cases?" question is referring to, but as far as symbols. I've said multiple times that the meaning of a symbol exists relative to the person viewing it. However, my amendment to that statement is that a symbol also represents what it factually represents. The Nazi flag factually represents an antisemitic regime. And as long as the SC upholds its ruling, the Confederate flag factually represents treason.Agreed. Cases? Any answer to my other thoughts about what a symbol represents? Library closes iin 10 minutes... don't think less of me if I don't answer a post now, OK?
Well, we had what I thought was a sarcastic back and forth with him about that very post. I could be wrong and will let him inform us.
Texas v. White and Williams v. Bruffy. There was a 3rd, but I can't remember.Fair enough. Cases please?
No, one action does not decide the entirety of a symbol. The main action of a group decides the symbol. There were plenty of Christians in the Confederacy, but the flag does not represent Christianity. However, because the entire purpose of the Confederacy was to do something that has been ruled treason, its flag represents treason.And even if so... does a case about the Confederacies actions make all symbols of the Confederate treasonous? Is the Chinese flag one of Crimes against Human Rights? Is the Iranian flag one of sexism? Is that it? One action decides the entirety of the symbol?
I don't know what the "Cases?" question is referring to, but as far as symbols. I've said multiple times that the meaning of a symbol exists relative to the person viewing it. However, my amendment to that statement is that a symbol also represents what it factually represents. The Nazi flag factually represents an antisemitic regime. And as long as the SC upholds its ruling, the Confederate flag factually represents treason.
Texas v. White and Williams v. Bruffy. There was a 3rd, but I can't remember.
No, one action does not decide the entirety of a symbol. The main action of a group decides the symbol. There were plenty of Christians in the Confederacy, but the flag does not represent Christianity. However, because the entire purpose of the Confederacy was to do something that has been ruled treason, its flag represents treason.
Damn this Pacific Ocean from keeping me from my desire to own a slave in the USA!
People have all sorts of views now, don't they?
I did not think you would resort to stupidity over a real argument. Guess I was wrong.
Guess we'll have to settle for freedom. Oh, well.
If you want to post a moral defense of slavery, by all means, go ahead. Just don't get upset if I post a scathing critique of it.
BTW, there is some serious irony here with a black guy defending slavery and a white guy opposing it.
That os just the thing.... they never said it was treason......How does FN's post erase the judgment of the Supreme Court? I already explained to him that it doesn't and that disagreeing with the Supreme Court (as pro-lifer's do everyday for Roe v. Wade) does not erase their judgment. The SC said it's treason and illegal. Last time I checked, what the SC says is the law, so...unless you have a lawyer...
Read this and be afraid, be very afraid...
http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/112536-confederate-flag-symbol-treason-167.html#post1059981865
I'm afraid I just saw a liberal take a conservative to school.
They actually did. Several times. And this has been mentioned in the thread over and over and over again. In fact, most of the people who have argued that it is treason have accepted the reality of SC cases and have said that they just disagree with them. You have the cases, you've clearly not read them, you've clearly not been paying attention.That os just the thing.... they never said it was treason......
You're right, it's not and people are free to think that the SC was wrong in their judgment. Just like people are free to think that abortion is illegal or that racial discrimination in the workplace is legal, people are free to think that the Confederacy did not commit treason, but all of those people would be freely thinking something false. Consequently, someone who looks at the Confederate flag and argues it isn't treason because they didn't really commit treason would be making a factually incorrect judgment just like some racist who fires an Asian guy because of his race is factually incorrect when he says it isn't really breaking the law.You said that SCOTUS declared the Confederate guilty of treason. What cases did that happen in?
Regarding what it represents... you are arguing the subjective nature again. The SC is not the ultimate authority on what people think or have opinions on. I understand your point, but they have no say on who thinks what... only whom can do what.
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