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Thats more of a complaint on how the programs are run, than the program themselves.
Yes and those were all run by the state governments not the federal government, which is what my original objection was about. The Tenth Amendment reinforces this.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Not true since private charities were able to do so for over a hundred years before the government got involved. The government hates competition.
Thats great, but you also claimed that
That is the statement I am concerned about. I don't care what you think about the 10th amendment.
I provided proof that private charities were able to do so for over a hundred years before the government got involved. My statement was in regards to the federal government not the states since I used the singular and not the plural of government.
Show me the proof then and please do not go "buy the book!"
No it's a complaint about the ineffiency of state bureaucracy. Not only is state theft and redistribution an ineffecient means to aid the poor but it is a violation of the right of self ownership and the non-aggression principle. Charities on the other hand are more efficient and do not violate the rights of the individual.
I already did and it wasn't good enough for you. I showed that private charities were able to assist people without the federal government being involved.
When did you do this?
When I linked the Philantropic Society page.
That was not proof.
You never countered with the federal government being able to help the poor so yes it is proof.
That was a different assertion. Besides, I think yourstar was the one making that argument.
That was a different assertion. Besides, I think yourstar was the one making that argument.
However, you cannot prove an assertion with the lack of proof in an unrelated assertion.
In post #447 you said, "Do you have any data to support this assertion?" in response to my assertation that private charities were able to provide help to the poor for over a hundred years before the government got involved. I provided the link to the Philanthropic Society page that showed the history of private charities in the US.
That link did not provide any proof.
And I provided proof for my assertion. The poverty rate went down when the government provided welfare programs.
The link does provide proof with a list of charities and the date they were founded.
The link does provide proof with a list of charities and the date they were founded.
All it shows is that some charities were founded. It contains no information on what impact the charities had.
That in no way states their effectiveness.
Hence you moved the goal posts in an attempt to win.
Unfortunately, private charities can not keep up with the needs of the f financially handicapped.
Not true since private charities were able to do so for over a hundred years before the government got involved. The government hates competition.
No I did not. What I have wanted to know the whole time was what proof you had for this.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/76751-taxation-slavery-45.html#post1058858476
In which LA states
And you state
I want to see where private charities were keeping up with the needs of the financially handicapped, not when some charities were founded.
And I did provide proof since those charities are still in existence and I provided the historical financial data on the amount of disposable income people had to help the poor. If the charities weren't keeping up with the needs of the poor they wouldn't be in existence today.
I never made the claim that it was effective. You're the one that asserted that it wasn't effective and you have yet to provide any proof to back that up. I have been waiting patiently for you to provide such proof.
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