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Is Taxation Slavery?

Is Taxation Slavery?

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This is based off what someone said in another thread. Since the 14th Amendment prohibits slavery of any kind does income, consumption based, and sale taxes a form of slavery that economically ties a person to the government and by default the poor?

I would have to say yes since the Congressional Budget Office has stated many times that the route the country is going that many people working in 2020 and beyond will have to pay roughly 90% of their income in taxes to keep up the rate of services the government provides. This, to me, is economic slavery to the government and a violation of the 14th Amendment.
 
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If you dont like paying income taxes, stop making an income.

You wont be whipped, beaten or hamstrung by your master

As a slave you would be
 

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If you dont like paying income taxes, stop making an income.

You wont be whipped, beaten or hamstrung by your master

As a slave you would be
The last time I checked that failing to pay income taxes resulted in the seizure of your property and mandatory prison time. You were saying about being a slave? Also, not earning any money to live on is very unrealistic.
 

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The last time I checked that failing to pay income taxes resulted in the seizure of your property and mandatory prison time. You were saying about being a slave? Also, not earning any money to live on is very unrealistic.
Notice that I said stop making an income

No income no income taxes

And you can live without earning money,


Buy about 500 acres and farmstead. You wont have electricity, a computer or a car but you will live
 

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Notice that I said stop making an income

No income no income taxes

And you can live without earning money,


Buy about 500 acres and farmstead. You wont have electricity, a computer or a car but you will live
Not really since even bartering for goods is still earning an income. Also, a farm cannot be self sustaining anymore without the USDA breathing down your neck for compliance with federal and state regulations.
 

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Notice that I said stop making an income

No income no income taxes

And you can live without earning money,


Buy about 500 acres and farmstead. You wont have electricity, a computer or a car but you will live
What would you buy it with?
 

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Not really since even bartering for goods is still earning an income. Also, a farm cannot be self sustaining anymore without the USDA breathing down your neck for compliance with federal and state regulations.
Only if you are selling produce.
 

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Not really since even bartering for goods is still earning an income. Also, a farm cannot be self sustaining anymore without the USDA breathing down your neck for compliance with federal and state regulations.
I didnt say anything about bartering

You will have to grow all your own food, make your own clothes and provide your own health care. As you would not be providing any food to anyone but your family the USDA wont come down on you either
 

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Only if you are selling produce.
If you have livestock you have to comply with regulations of the USDA, even if you aren't selling them. The same is true for raising of crops.
 

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No. The government needs an income to support military, public works and roads etc. I have no problem paying my fair share of taxes. It is when I see them throwing good money after bad on failed programs I have a problem. Otherwise no, it's not in any way slavery.
 

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No. The government needs an income to support military, public works and roads etc. I have no problem paying my fair share of taxes. It is when I see them throwing good money after bad on failed programs I have a problem. Otherwise no, it's not in any way slavery.
So you have no problem in forcing your kids, grandkids, and great-grandkids to pay more of their income to keep up with the services the government(s) provides? If it takes 90% of the money they make to keep the system going isn't that paying their fair share and not economic slavery to the governemt and the people around them?
 

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do you get anything in return fir your tax, if not, then i suppose it is.
 

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do you get anything in return fir your tax, if not, then i suppose it is.
A good majority of people that pay taxes rarely use the services they are paying for. A good example is a single homeowner with no kids paying property taxes to send another person's kids to school. There are more examples of the taxes paid in with no service in return. Failure to pay any type of tax will usually result in seizure of your property and mandatory prison time.
 

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This is based off what someone said in another thread. Since the 14th Amendment prohibits slavery of any kind does income, consumption based, and sale taxes a form of slavery that economically ties a person to the government and by default the poor?

I would have to say yes since the Congressional Budget Office has stated many times that the route the country is going that many people working in 2020 and beyond will have to pay roughly 90% of their income in taxes to keep up the rate of services the government provides. This, to me, is economic slavery to the government and a violation of the 14th Amendment.
I expect things to be changed before 2020. That statement by them is to encourage change, not to warn people that the end is near and it is guaranteed that we will be paying 90% taxes in 2020.
 

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A good majority of people that pay taxes rarely use the services they are paying for. A good example is a single homeowner with no kids paying property taxes to send another person's kids to school. There are more examples of the taxes paid in with no service in return. Failure to pay any type of tax will usually result in seizure of your property and mandatory prison time.
So people shouldn't be expected (or even feel obligated) to contribute to the future of their country (i.e. the children of this country)?
 

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I expect things to be changed before 2020. That statement by them is to encourage change, not to warn people that the end is near and it is guaranteed that we will be paying 90% taxes in 2020.
How is it changing when the government at all levels is increasing spending?
 

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So people shouldn't be expected (or even feel obligated) to contribute to the future of their country (i.e. the children of this country)?
At the expense of 90% of their income? Nope, I wouldn't since that is economic slavery. Do you support slavery in any of its forms?
 

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So you have no problem in forcing your kids, grandkids, and great-grandkids to pay more of their income to keep up with the services the government(s) provides? If it takes 90% of the money they make to keep the system going isn't that paying their fair share and not economic slavery to the governemt and the people around them?
How did you get all that out of what I said? That is completely idiotic and I said nothing of the sort.

No I don't have a problem with them paying reasonable taxes. We vote for people to represent us in the government, and we get exactly the government we deserve. If you don't like it, vote them out.

Your example is as ridicules as the comment that taxes are in anyway a form of slavery.
 

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At the expense of 90% of their income? Nope, I wouldn't since that is economic slavery. Do you support slavery in any of its forms?
Be serious, do you honestly think in 10 years people will be paying 90% taxes??? :lol:

The person was making a point, not stating a fact.
 
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How is it changing when the government at all levels is increasing spending?
2020 is 10 years from now. Anything can happen between now and then.

At the expense of 90% of their income? Nope, I wouldn't since that is economic slavery. Do you support slavery in any of its forms?
100% of your taxes do not go to education. And no, I don't. And I don't think taxation is a form of slavery. It can become a burden and people can feel their money is being wasted... but if we actually held our government accountable we wouldn't be in this current mess. If people didn't always vote in two parties, the Democrats and Republicans wouldn't have the majority of the control over the government and we'd have a more effective government filled with independent minds.
 

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How did you get all that out of what I said? That is completely idiotic and I said nothing of the sort.

No I don't have a problem with them paying reasonable taxes. We vote for people to represent us in the government, and we get exactly the government we deserve. If you don't like it, vote them out.

Your example is as ridicules as the comment that taxes are in anyway a form of slavery.
My example is compliments of the Congressional Budget Office. Take it up with them if you have a problem with it. So how has this voting out people that supported big government for those that wanted to reduce government working out for you? Last time I checked, government increased under both the Republicans and Democrats since 1992...

So I take it that you do support economic slavery as long as its to the government(s). I got ya. ;)

Be serious, do you honestly think in 10 years people will be paying 90% taxes??? :lol:
At the rate of inflation and the drop in wages due to said inflation I would say yes. If the chief accountant of the United States federal government is saying that this is how it will be if the government doesn't change its spending habits then I have nothing to dispute it. He, afterall, handles the books of the country and knows what it takes to keep the government running at its current level.
 
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My example is compliments of the Congressional Budget Office. Take it up with them if you have a problem with it.
Well if they said it, it must be true. :roll:

So how has this voting out people that supported big government for those that wanted to reduce government working out for you?
Excellent, part of the reason I live in Florida. No state tax etc. :mrgreen:

Last time I checked, government increased under both the Republicans and Democrats...
I guess you missed this...

"and we get exactly the government we deserve." - Blackdog

So I take it that you do support economic slavery as long as its to the government(s). I got ya. ;)
Please point out where I said this or even implied it? That is a lie. Do not put words in my mouth.

Your premise is unrealistic and your conclusion is therefore flawed. So no, it is not slavery.

I am not stupid enough to consider 90% taxes as anything more than fantasy in the next 10 years. Hell even the next 20.

Now lets look at it realistically. If the government took 90% from the top wage earners, the country would collapse very quickly. The rate of job loss and out right civil unrest would not make it any kind of viable option.

At the rate of inflation and the drop in wages due to said inflation I would say yes. If the chief accountant of the United States federal government is saying that this is how it will be if the government doesn't change its spending habits then I have nothing to dispute it. He, afterall, handles the books of the country and knows what it takes to keep the government running at its current level.
So in this case you are willing to trust the government on nothing more than a hypothetical? I see.
 
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If you dont like paying income taxes, stop making an income.

You wont be whipped, beaten or hamstrung by your master

As a slave you would be
What right does the state have to tell me not to earn capital through my labour? If I stop paying taxes I will be arrested and whipped, beaten, or hamstrung if I resist their unjustified use of force.
 

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2020 is 10 years from now. Anything can happen between now and then.
And the chief accountant of the United States has been predicting that to keep the government going at its current spending and obligations it would require 90% of the income made by people to keep going. It can go higher due to the increase in services provided and the drop in birth rate during this timeframe.

100% of your taxes do not go to education. And no, I don't. And I don't think taxation is a form of slavery. It can become a burden and people can feel their money is being wasted... but if we actually held our government accountable we wouldn't be in this current mess. If people didn't always vote in two parties, the Democrats and Republicans wouldn't have the majority of the control over the government and we'd have a more effective government filled with independent minds.
I never said anything about taxes going 100% to education. I did use an example of property taxes paid by a single person being used to pay for the education of someone else's children and not using said service for themselves. Taxes go to pay for a lot of unconstitutional programs and people are betting on the future that their kids will be able to pay off the debts their parents incurred. That happened a lot before the 13th Amendment was passed that prohibited slavery. Economic slavery is the use of economics to enslave someone to certain things at the expense of doing what they wish with their own property and in this case money.

PS: I apologize for citing the wrong amendment since it's the 13th not the 14th that abolished slavery in all of its forms.
 

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Notice that I said stop making an income

No income no income taxes

And you can live without earning money,


Buy about 500 acres and farmstead. You wont have electricity, a computer or a car but you will live

Bull****, they're called property taxes.
 
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