Is Ryancare Just Obamacare for Seniors?

[Cameron]

And if so, why is either party making such a big fuss over their respective opponent's plan, or, conversely, so defensive of their own plan?

Remember last year, when Republicans hated Obamacare because of "exchanges, difficult end-of-life decisions, cuts to vulnerable seniors"? Well, Jon Stewart does, and last night he informed America: "Guess what? [Paul] Ryan's plan is all that, plus a $750 billion cut to Medicaid. How do they characterize a plan like that?" Thusly: "the most creative thinking of anybody in Congress," as Newt Gingrich put it.

"He took something you thought sucked, crossed out the 'D,' wrote an 'R,' and now you love it," Stewart said. But Republicans aren't the only hypocrites in the situation: Democrats, who "rightfully decried the hyperbolic language Republicans used when they said health care would 'undermine America,' there were gonna be 'death panels,'" are now using nearly the same exact terms to describe Ryan's plan. Stewart went on to take down Ryan's video explaining the plan—watch both segments in the gallery.

Jon Stewart on Paul Ryan's Budget Plan: Just Like Obamacare (Daily Show Video)

I refer to the take-your-breath irony and contradiction of Ryan, a bona fide fiscal arch-conservative, essentially endorsing the Obama health care reforms that — for the record and for the tea party grandstand — he derides from the other side of his mouth as a Ponzi scheme and a house of cards.

We have Ryan trying to do to Medicare what he calls a privatization reform when what he proposes is precisely what he and his right-wing buddies deride as evil European socialized medicine when the president and Democrats try to do it for people not yet on Medicare.

“Exchange is not necessarily a dirty word,” Ryan, the Republican House Budget chairman, said last week.

Oh?

His plan is to tell new Medicare recipients starting in 2022 or so to get off single-payer Medicare and go buy a partially subsidized private health insurance policy, one means tested and costlier for sicker people, that would be part of a government exchange that would protect against discrimination on account of pre-existing conditions.

That is, in one derisive word, “Obamacare.”

Yes, it is. Plain and simple.

Ryan wants to remake Medicare, in which Republicans have never believed, into the “Obamacare” they deride only for political expedience and rhetorical advantage, not on actual substantive merit.

http://arkansasnews.com/2011/04/11/ryan-endorses-‘obamacare’/

 

[Badmutha]

Citing John Stewart......a Comedy show......on a comedy network.......

........God Help Us......

 

[Cameron]

Citing John Stewart......a Comedy show......on a comedy network.......

........God Help Us......

Alright, rather than attacking one of the sources, how about addressing the point?

In any event, I'd say Stewart is more informed and honest than half of Washington or the Press, which is probably why conservatives dislike him so much.

 

[Badmutha]

Alright, rather than attacking one of the sources, how about addressing the point?

The Point is Paul Ryan is trying to reform a Democrat Subprime Ponzi scheme Health Care Program to nowhere.......by involving the Free Market and giving Seniors other options........besides the government option......

In any event, I'd say Stewart is more informed and honest than half of Washington or the Press, which is probably why conservatives dislike him so much.

The Daily Show isnt about informing people........its about making them laugh.......

......if you feel a Comedian and a Comedy Network is the best source.....feel free........
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[Cameron]

The Point is Paul Ryan is trying to reform a Democrat Subprime Ponzi scheme Health Care Program to nowhere.......by involving the Free Market and giving Seniors other options........besides the government option......

Ok, but if the Ryan plan is so Free Market and fair, why isn't Obamacare?

The Daily Show isnt about informing people........its about making them laugh.......

Yes...at the ridiculousness of politics.

Regardless, the point is that he and many commetators have raised the point, and it seems to be a legitimate one. Making fun of Stewart is a cheap way to avoid the actual issue. But politicians love that these days, and so too do many on this board, apparently.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

Ok, but if the Ryan plan is so Free Market and fair, why isn't Obamacare?

To be fair, neither are really free market at all.
If the government is loading it will all sorts of qualifications, rules and regulations that do more than deal with fraud, it can't be free market.

 

[whysoserious]

The Point is Paul Ryan is trying to reform a Democrat Subprime Ponzi scheme Health Care Program to nowhere.......by involving the Free Market and giving Seniors other options........besides the government option......



The Daily Show isnt about informing people........its about making them laugh.......

......if you feel a Comedian and a Comedy Network is the best source.....feel free........
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You don't know anything about either plan, do you? That was a great job of not answering anything.

 

[Badmutha]

Ok, but if the Ryan plan is so Free Market and fair, why isn't Obamacare?

Medicare isnt Free Market or Fair......Paul Ryan is attempting to improve on that......

Yes...at the ridiculousness of politics.

Regardless, the point is that he and many commetators have raised the point, and it seems to be a legitimate one. Making fun of Stewart is a cheap way to avoid the actual issue. But politicians love that these days, and so too do many on this board, apparently.

If that dillhole Stewart was looking for something more than laughs.......

.......perhaps he would of stated the biggest difference between ObamaCare and RyanCare......that being the fact that Paul Ryan didnt create a Subprime Health Care to Nowhere Program.......he is simply trying to reform one.
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[Badmutha]

You don't know anything about either plan, do you? That was a great job of not answering anything.

Well Im watching Chapelle Show and Workaholics to try and get in depth perspective on political issues......
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[whysoserious]

Well Im watching Chapelle Show and Workaholics to try and get in depth perspective on political issues......
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I have not seen Workaholics yet... how is it?

 

[Badmutha]

Those are two great shows. You would learn more from them than anything on Fox News, that's for sure.

Yes obviously your testament to that.........
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[cpwill]

And if so, why is either party making such a big fuss over their respective opponent's plan, or, conversely, so defensive of their own plan?

easy answer, it's not.


both sides agree that Medicare expenditures have to be lowered if the nation's fiscal house is to survive. the difference is that Ryan says we should shift the decision over what specifically get's cut to the individual future retirees, who can then apportion their Medicare dollars as they see fit, and Obama thinks that the decision over what specifically to cut should be left with a government board, who then imposes a one-size-fits-all solution on America's seniors starting next year (under Obamacare).

Ryan wants individual choice, Obamacare calls for an American version of N.I.C.E. So no, Ryan's Medicare plan is nothing like Obamacare.