Is Resistance to Fascism... Terrorism?

[What if...?]

So the French Resistance were “terrorists”, then?

The Founders were traitors and war criminals.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Terrorism is an act. Whether you commit that act or not is not impacted by whether you labeled your enemies "fascism", "communism", "capitalism", "democracy", "abortion", "consumerism", etc.


The framing of this question contains a false assumption. Yes, obviously you can commit terrorism while claiming to be fighting fascism.

why do i get the impression you are sans context?

 

[What if...?]

If you are referring to Antifa, there is violence everywhere they are.

Fascism is always at its heart violence or the threat thereof.

 

[devildavid]

Yes, but crimes are not necessarily terrorism.

Using so-called resistance to Fascism as an excuse to commit those crimes...that is terrorism.

terrorism, the calculated use of violence to create a general climate of fear in a population and thereby to bring about a particular political objective.​

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Terrorism | Definition, History, Examples, Groups, & Facts | Britannica

Terrorism, the calculated use of violence to create a general climate of fear in a population and thereby to bring about a particular political objective. Definitions of terrorism are complex and controversial; because of the inherent ferocity of terrorism, the term in its popular usage has...

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What if it is actual resistance to fascism? Just as the founders justified violence as resistance to despotism. The founders wanted to terrorize those who stayed loyal to the crown.

 

[What if...?]

If you oppose fascism you must oppose fascists that lie and call themselves antifa.

What political system is antifa fascism controlling and/or oppressing?

Pretty sure a small local group can’t really be fascists. They aren’t trying to establish a new order with them at the top, which every historical fascist did all his fasci-ing to attain.

Words have meanings.

Trump is doing a LOT of things fascists do in their rise to power.

Antifa likes to get in street fights with Proud Boys and screw with them. It’s also reciprocal. Proud boys go out looking to get into it with antifa.

 

[devildavid]

Terrorism is an act. Whether you commit that act or not is not impacted by whether you labeled your enemies "fascism", "communism", "capitalism", "democracy", "abortion", "consumerism", etc.


The framing of this question contains a false assumption. Yes, obviously you can commit terrorism while claiming to be fighting fascism.

Terrorism is a label used to create a point of view about certain acts that are usually considered crimes. It is an interpretation of the intent behind these acts.

 

[CLAX1911]

What political system is antifa fascism controlling and/or oppressing?

They are attempting to use violence to control our nation's political system

Pretty sure a small local group can’t really be fascists.

Fair enough they are pro fascist with an ironic name.

They aren’t trying to establish a new order with them at the top, which every historical fascist did all his fasci-ing to attain.

Yes they are.

Words have meanings.

Lies are lies

Trump is doing a LOT of things fascists do in their rise to power.

With the free speech stuff maybe but I'd consider the existence of the FCC more problematic than the government using it to force speech.

Antifa likes to get in street fights with Proud Boys and screw with them.

Maybe 11 years ago but the proud boys is pretty much over it was a decade ago. Now antifa just screws with ordinary people.

It’s also reciprocal. Proud boys go out looking to get into it with antifa.

11 years ago maybe.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Did you support Obama or Biden when they abused the powers of government and civil rights of others?

No.

Did you support Democrat governors when they used the national guard to lock people in their homes during COVID?

"Did the national guard lock people in their homes during COVID"

"No, the National Guard did not lock people in their homes during the COVID-19 pandemic. There was no plan to use the National Guard in any capacity to enforce shelter-in-place operations or quarantine measures, according to the chief of the National Guard Bureau. While governors issued stay-at-home orders and other public health directives, the National Guard's role was focused on supporting state and local authorities with tasks such as logistics, medical support, food distribution, and testing site operations, not law enforcement or direct quarantine enforcement. For example, in New York, the National Guard provided services like meal delivery, PPE distribution, and operating testing sites, but did not enforce lockdowns. Similarly, in Rhode Island, Guard members accompanied police to educate residents about quarantine requirements, not to enforce them. Claims that the National Guard used methods like paintball guns to enforce curfews during the pandemic are false and have been debunked; those incidents were related to curfews following civil unrest after George Floyd's death, not COVID-19 lockdowns."

Did you support Obama exceeding his authority in Libya? In Syria?

No.

Did you support Democrats weaponizing the Judiciary against Republicans and indeed running for office on the promise to do so?

Define weaponizing.

Did you support Democrats weaponizing the IRS against Republicans?

NEVER HAPPENED.

Did you support Biden ignoring the Supreme Court on the Eviction Moratorium or College Debt?

When did Biden do that?

Did you support Obama passing DACA by Executive Order when he said he didn't have the authority as President to do so?

He did not pass DACA by Executive Order. That's not how legislation works.

Did you support locking up a Youtube content creator to try to get the heat off of Obama for a Consulate attack?

Explain please.

Did you support Hillary Clinton suing to suppress material criticizing her during an election cycle? Did you support the Obama Administration's claim in that same court case that it had the right to ban books?

Not sure what this refers to.

Did you support a Democrat Administration lying for years to the American people about the decline of the President?

Nope, nor did I support Biden. His cognitive decline was 99th of my list of grievances against him. And literally everyone is in cognitive decline. That's how aging works. The threshold by which it should be a problem is nebulous to say the least. Is fascism better or worse than someone who has missed a step? Asking for a country and a planet.

Respectfully, your critique here would carry more weight if you yourself had not spent the past several years demonstrating (according to the standard you here raise) that you support Democrats more than you love America.

Your critiques would carry more weight if they carried moral credibility and intellectual honesty.

 

[CLAX1911]

Terrorism is a label used to create a point of view about certain acts that are usually considered crimes. It is an interpretation of the intent behind these acts.

No it's more about being able to pursue Rico statutes against this group.

The problem is they kind of held Portland captive for months and months and months and the police won't do anything government of the city won't do anything so if they face federal charges it might put a stop to it.

If they were just peacefully protesting I don't think there would be a problem. But it is a violent organization and they don't understand peace not until they are brought to heel.

 

[Northern Light]

I can't think of any MORE methods of delegitimizing the term 'Terrorism' (R.I.P Nelson Mandela), but the right-wing consistency one-ups themselves with their crack-down authoritarian lunacy. Trump is going to designate ANTIFA a terrorist group. Problem is, ANTIFA is not even a group, it's not an organization -- it's a very loose movement. So what Trump is doing is criminalizing left-wing resistance to fascism.

Also, it's broadly acceptable in right-wing circles to kill terrorists extrajudicially.

Depends what your actions are.

Calling someone a fascist and nazi simply for being anywhere on the right side of the political spectrum, and equating all speech you disagree with as an existential threat to life, is radicalization. Progressives have "delegitimized" the words fascist, nazi and far-right. It applies to anyone on the right now, even right-wing moderates.

Assaulting someone for right wing views, burning cities, destroying property, smashing vigils for people grieving, disrupting regular activism with violence to create chaos and anarchy, and making your opponents fear for their lives simply for being conservative -- that's terrorism.

There are definitely anti-fa terrorists in the US. I have seen them first hand in person, with my own eyes. They are thugs, and they are organized and funded.

Regular people speaking out against fascism, I have no problem with that, even if I don't agree with how they use the word fascism. I consider the ideologies of progressivism embedded in fascism now. I used to be on their side, then they turned radical and lost me.