Is "Jesus Christ" one and the same as the Biblical "Michael the Archangel"? (1 Viewer)

[Logician Man]

What do the Biblical scriptures say regarding the thread title? Are there any scripture/s in which 'God the Father' declares Jesus Christ and Michael the Archangel to be one and the same entity? Please present your case.

 

[Fearandloathing]

What do the Biblical scriptures say regarding the thread title? Are there any scripture/s in which 'God the Father' declares Jesus Christ and Michael the Archangel to be one and the same entity? Please present your case.

Like everything in the 'bible' it is subject to whim.

Since its a work of fiction, who cares?

 

[eman623]

Like everything in the 'bible' it is subject to whim.

Since its a work of fiction, who cares?

If you were asked "Ginger v MaryAnn", would you reply with "they're both fictional characters, so who cares?"

 

[Gordy327]

If you were asked "Ginger v MaryAnn", would you reply with "they're both fictional characters, so who cares?"

Fictional character played by real people. Mary Ann for the win.

 

[Exquisitor]

What do the Biblical scriptures say regarding the thread title? Are there any scripture/s in which 'God the Father' declares Jesus Christ and Michael the Archangel to be one and the same entity? Please present your case.

Well, folks, when a person sits down to write something about God, God helps them and reveals things to them. Not that this revelation process is perfect.

So it turns out there are Archangels, Elohim, Cherub, Seraphim and other angels, but a comprehensive treatise there is none, it would be too powerful, only to the initiated Chela are the required details revealed. Even in the Vedic sense, there is Siva, Hanuman and Ganesha and so many other personalities, most of whom exist and the description may be quite accurate, although it may be prone to contradiction, considering the wide topics and numerous authors.

So, nowhere does the Bible say or imply that Christ is the same person as any other.

He does have past lives, the 4:30 am, the Krishna realm of 268,000 BC, births on Venus. There are stories of how he descended from the Spiritual realm. He is what the Hare Krishnas call Baladeva, Krishna's first expansion, the Word, the Vibration as opposed to the Source of the Vibration or the Substance Vibrated Upon.

 

[eman623]

Fictional character played by real people. Mary Ann for the win.

Michael (1996 film) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Gordy327]

Michael (1996 film) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yes, John Travolta is a real person. The characters he plays are not. What's your point?

 

[Daisy]

Scriptural evidence indicates that the name Michael applied to God’s Son before he left heaven to become Jesus Christ and also after his return. Michael is the only one said to be “the archangel,” meaning “chief angel,” or “principal angel.” The term occurs in the Bible only in the singular. This seems to imply that there is but one whom God has designated chief, or head, of the angelic host. At 1 Thessalonians 4:16 the voice of the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ is described as being that of an archangel, suggesting that he is, in fact, himself the archangel. This text depicts him as descending from heaven with “a commanding call.” It is only logical, therefore, that the voice expressing this commanding call be described by a word that would not diminish or detract from the great authority that Christ Jesus now has as King of kings and Lord of lords. (Mt 28:18; Re 17:14) If the designation “archangel” applied, not to Jesus Christ, but to other angels, then the reference to “an archangel’s voice” would not be appropriate. In that case it would be describing a voice of lesser authority than that of the Son of God.

There are also other correspondencies establishing that Michael is actually the Son of God. Daniel, after making the first reference to Michael (Da 10:13), recorded a prophecy reaching down to “the time of the end” (Da 11:40) and then stated: “And during that time Michael will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of [Daniel’s] people.” (Da 12:1) Michael’s ‘standing up’ was to be associated with “a time of distress such as has not been made to occur since there came to be a nation until that time.” (Da 12:1) In Daniel’s prophecy, ‘standing up’ frequently refers to the action of a king, either taking up his royal power or acting effectively in his capacity as king. (Da 11:2-4, 7, 16b, 20, 21) This supports the conclusion that Michael is Jesus Christ, since Jesus is Jehovah’s appointed King, commissioned to destroy all the nations at Har–Magedon.—Re 11:15; 16:14-16.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200003035

 

[Daisy]

The book of Revelation (12:7, 10, 12) specifically mentions Michael in connection with the establishment of God’s Kingdom and links this event with trouble for the earth: “And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled. And I heard a loud voice in heaven say: ‘Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down . . . On this account be glad, you heavens and you who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea.’” Jesus Christ is later depicted as leading the heavenly armies in war against the nations of the earth. (Re 19:11-16) This would mean a period of distress for them, which would logically be included in the “time of distress” that is associated with Michael’s standing up. (Da 12:1) Since the Son of God is to fight the nations, it is only reasonable that he was the one who with his angels earlier battled against the superhuman dragon, Satan the Devil, and his angels.

In his prehuman existence Jesus was called “the Word.” (Joh 1:1) He also had the personal name Michael. By retaining the name Jesus after his resurrection (Ac 9:5), “the Word” shows that he is identical with the Son of God on earth. His resuming his heavenly name Michael and his title (or name) “The Word of God” (Re 19:13) ties him in with his prehuman existence. The very name Michael, asking as it does, “Who Is Like God?” points to the fact that Jehovah God is without like, or equal, and that Michael his archangel is his great Champion or Vindicator.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200003035

 

[eman623]

Yes, John Travolta is a real person. The characters he plays are not. What's your point?

I wonder which one the Archangel Michael prefers. Ginger or MaryAnn?

We can ask now because they're all fictional characters played by real people.

Maybe ask Harry Potter what he thinks too.

 

[Gordy327]

I wonder which one the Archangel Michael prefers. Ginger or MaryAnn?

We can ask now because they're all fictional characters played by real people.

Maybe ask Harry Potter what he thinks too.

MaryAnn all the way. There's no contest.

 

[Lees]

What do the Biblical scriptures say regarding the thread title? Are there any scripture/s in which 'God the Father' declares Jesus Christ and Michael the Archangel to be one and the same entity? Please present your case.

No. There are none. Bible being the 39 books in the Old Testament and the 27 in the New Testament.

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