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Is Impeachment A Winning Strategy?

Is Impeachment A Winning Strategy?

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IMO, impeachment is warranted. It will also enable Congress to get their hands on all the evidence they need to build a case. Also, we know the R would be impeaching a D president right now, for less than a quarter of what Trump has done.

So, one has to ask. Would impeachment be a popular position to take? Are the American people going to turn on the impeachers or will they side with them and clamor for Trump's removal?
 
calamity said:
IMO, impeachment is warranted. It will also enable Congress to get their hands on all the evidence they need to build a case. Also, we know the R would be impeaching a D president right now, for less than a quarter of what Trump has done.

So, one has to ask. Would impeachment be a popular position to take? Are the American people going to turn on the impeachers or will they side with them and clamor for Trump's removal?
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How is it warranted?
 
calamity said:
Then vote no.
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People will interpret your question differently. Does "winning strategy" mean that Trump will lose or that Trump will win?
 
Sadly...no. Can we please start working on getting him out in 2020?
 
Winning for the GOP. :lamo
 
If Trump has committed high crimes and misdemeanors , it is a proper strategy and demanded by our Constitution. And I believe he has.

Right now, it would pass the House and he would escape conviction in the Republican dominated Senate.
 
Josie said:
People will interpret your question differently. Does "winning strategy" mean that Trump will lose or that Trump will win?
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Read the op. It's pretty clear in the text.
 
Josie said:
How is it warranted?
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IMO, he violated his oath of office and committed several high crimes and misdemeanors. As a result, he needs to be brought before the People.
 
calamity said:
IMO, impeachment is warranted. It will also enable Congress to get their hands on all the evidence they need to build a case. Also, we know the R would be impeaching a D president right now, for less than a quarter of what Trump has done.

So, one has to ask. Would impeachment be a popular position to take? Are the American people going to turn on the impeachers or will they side with them and clamor for Trump's removal?
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Doesn't matter what people think about impeachment. What matters is what Pelosi and her House buddies think about impeachment.

So change your poll to "Does Pelosi think impeachment is a winning strategy?" and I'll let you know what I think.
 
haymarket said:
If Trump has committed high crimes and misdemeanors , it is a proper strategy and demanded by our Constitution. And I believe he has.
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Yes.

Right now, it would pass the House and he would escape conviction in the Republican dominated Senate.
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After all the evidence has been presented, let them vote no. It's how our government is supposed to operate.
 
calamity said:
IMO, he violated his oath of office and committed several high crimes and misdemeanors. As a result, he needs to be brought before the People.
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If he did, of course. What evidence is there that he did, though?
 
Josie said:
If he did, of course. What evidence is there that he did, though?
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I believe plenty of evidence has already been presented. Others do not. I get that.

That's why impeachment hearings would be a huge benefit for everyone.
 
Mycroft said:
Doesn't matter what people think about impeachment. What matters is what Pelosi and her House buddies think about impeachment.

So change your poll to "Does Pelosi think impeachment is a winning strategy?" and I'll let you know what I think.
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Pelosi does not think that impeachment is a winning strategy, and has said as much. I agree, it is not a winning strategy.

The best strategy is to make the results of the Mueller investigation as public as it can be made about a month before the election, much as Comey dropped the emails bombshell a couple of weeks before the last one. Don't give the electorate time to forget about Mueller. Keep reminding them about trump and the separation of families at the border. Play Trump's lies and his reversals over and over again in the swing states.

And, above all, pick a Democratic candidate who people will vote for!

That's a winning strategy. Impeachment is not.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Pelosi does not think that impeachment is a winning strategy, and has said as much. I agree, it is not a winning strategy.

The best strategy is to make the results of the Mueller investigation as public as it can be made about a month before the election, much as Comey dropped the emails bombshell a couple of weeks before the last one. Don't give the electorate time to forget about Mueller. Keep reminding them about trump and the separation of families at the border. Play Trump's lies and his reversals over and over again in the swing states.

And, above all, pick a Democratic candidate who people will vote for!

That's a winning strategy. Impeachment is not.
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She might use impeachment, it won't be to remove Trump. She knows it won't work and she doesn't want to remove him. She wants to make sure he doesn't win the 2020 election.

But she could use it as a strategy to influence voters because it doesn't matter if he's not removed. It is still damage. All the Dem politicians, a number of Rep politicians and the entire multimedia echo chamber would continuously hammer "impeachment".

Her problem...and you alluded to it...is that she needs that Mueller report. She needs it redacted so she can find something to twist into justification for impeachment. It's not a sure thing that she'll get what she needs.

So, no matter what she says about not wanting to impeach...don't believe it.
 
Impeachment is a fraught question.

On the one hand, if you choose to impeach, it will fail in the Senate, regardless of the weight evidence in favor of removing him from office. Even though we know this will be the outcome, and no matter how much we tell ourselves that it'll be about laying out the facts for the American public, that failure will have a demoralizing impact on the country. In addition, Trump and Republicans will turn that outcome in an exoneration narrative, completely ignoring that Republicans were never going to vote to remove him anyway.

On the other hand, saying that Trump shouldn't be impeached for the above reasons is basically handing Republicans in the Senate a silent veto, and fails to put them on the public record. It also sets the bar lower for Republicans in general and allows them to be graded on a curve, institutionalizing the belief that one shouldn't expect or wait for Republicans to ever do the right thing, while Democrats will continue to be expected to live to the highest standards. Finally, it sets the precedent that the punishment for being a lawless, unethical and anti-American President is to vote him out of office in the next election, and basically rules out the use of impeachment for any reason. To put this in perspective, if Trump loses the 2020 election, he will have effectively received the same punishment for being lawless and unethical that George H.W. Bush received for being lame.

No easy answers here.
 
calamity said:
IMO, impeachment is warranted. It will also enable Congress to get their hands on all the evidence they need to build a case. Also, we know the R would be impeaching a D president right now, for less than a quarter of what Trump has done.

So, one has to ask. Would impeachment be a popular position to take? Are the American people going to turn on the impeachers or will they side with them and clamor for Trump's removal?
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I think it depends on what is found. His telling a CPB officer to break the law is an impeachable offense.
 
calamity said:
IMO, impeachment is warranted. It will also enable Congress to get their hands on all the evidence they need to build a case. Also, we know the R would be impeaching a D president right now, for less than a quarter of what Trump has done.

So, one has to ask. Would impeachment be a popular position to take? Are the American people going to turn on the impeachers or will they side with them and clamor for Trump's removal?
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I agree that impeachment and removal of Trump is warranted; hell, it was warranted the instant he completed his oath of office.

I have my doubts about it being, at this point in Trump's first term politically or jurisprudentially sagacious because
  • If he's impeached and removed, Pence is all but certain to pardon him.
  • If he's impeached and not removed, which is the most likely outcome, he'll be a martyr, of sorts, unless perhaps all the Senate trial discloses all the gory details of his deeds, which I don't see happening.
  • A Senate impeachment trial is a political thing, not a jurisprudential thing. The majority party, not the rule of law and not precedent, controls everything about how the proceedings transpire, including rules of evidence, inquiry times, what witnesses to call, whether and to what extent witnesses can be compelled to directly answer questions, etc.
So at this point, short of an incontrovertible "smoking gun" manifesting, there's little to be gained from impeachment hearings and a subsequent trial. And frankly, given all Trump's "water" Republicans have carried thus far, I'm not confident enough Senate GOP-ers would vote to convict Trump were there such a "smoking gun." I think even if Trump just woke and walked onto 5th Ave. and started randomly shooting people, GOP-ers would find a way to justify it.
 
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