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Is Homosexuality A Choice?

Is Homosexuality A Choice?

  • Yes

    Votes: 33 15.9%

  • No

    Votes: 136 65.7%

  • Maybe/Don't Know

    Votes: 38 18.4%
  • Total voters
    207
Gardener said:
Because you are not yet adult?
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Not consenting. I'm hetero, no question about it. I don't need to taste a dog turd to know I won't like it. It is analogical.
 
DaveFagan said:
This is significant because children of gay parents

are 10 times (30%) as likely to be gay as the general population (3%)(Cameron, 1997, 8

and 9 of 14).
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Wow...well, thanks Dave...but the above would have sufficed. I was just curious who "Cameron" was or is. But now that we're here. That's a pretty drastic claim by Cameron, wouldn't you say? I guess I'll be forced to look over his/her study to understand how these statistics came into being.
 


I had written that research paper about ten years ago and thought you might appreciate all the information because I feel it is thorough. I'm not anti-homo and the paper was not written with any bias. I seriously researched the subject for my own elucidation and satisfaction. I would admit a pre-disposition to the assumption that gay is not genetic but allowed the data to reveal itself. That was the question that needed answering.
 

I think you're right, there's a variety of factors that are not genetic. The question being "Is it a choice?" the answer is no. Whatever the factors that determine it, you don't choose to be attracted to people of the same sex.

That said, your actions in regard to that attraction is a choice. If you think it's wrong to act on your attraction, I can respect that choice. If you think that your orientation is different, then you're not being honest with yourself. I once knew a man who was a Catholic priest. He was not in the closet, in that he certainly considered his orientation to be homosexual. But he chose a life of celibacy, same as the straight priests.
 


I don't think it is drastic. I have several friends who have gay male children. I asked them (the fathers) what caused it. Both fathers said that they thought their boys had been molested by homo friends of their own when they were very young. Homos have more homo friends and acquaintances than straights, ergo the possibility of homo molestation is much greater. That would be my best thoughts as relate to the possibilities.
 

It appears to me (perhaps incorrectly) that you accept in heterosexuals a basic imperative (drive?) to procreate with a member of the opposite sex. Yet you seem to imply that all someone displaying homosexual tendencies is doing is suppressing this basic imperative (for some unknown reason), thus exercising a choice not to act properly in accordance with instinctive(?) reproductive nature.

However, I think it entirely plausible that this imperative to procreate can be reversed in human genetic coding. That is because this occurs in nature as a method of reducing overpopulation in various species. That would leave homosexuals with no such drive, instead leading them to focus on neuter relationships. Thus the lack of arousal would be due to a natural resistance to female hormones released to incite sexual attraction and arousal.

I also disagree that arousal is inevitable simply because those stressors you mention are not present due to the above.


Again, the scenario I posited did not indicate stress, simply a lack of interest and arousal. The boy is fully aware of his proper role once shown, and as for being strange and alien? He’s grown up with them and in a state of nature all parties must be aware of his physical differences. In prepubescent children this typically excites curiosity, not hostility. Upon reaching sexual maturity this increases the curiosity and turns it into experimentation.


No, I was very clear that no amount of stimulation from the females effected arousal in the boy. His desire was focused on the other boy alone. As for the reason, I presented one earlier in this post. In any case fondling genitals is not an absolute guarantee of arousal in everyone, just the umm oversexed? Undersexed? I don’t know. LOL.
 

Thanks, Dave. I certainly see nothing that you've posted that you are bigoted toward gays. But to me...I think that one of the first places that I would want to research is gay couples who have...and I should have said this before..."adopted" children to see if there was some statistical significance involved.

I mean it's possible that a gay person could have been the natural parent...came out as homosexual...then took custody of his or her child and raised them.

So really my curiosity is more related to statistical significance of adopted children only raised by gay parents.

If there is a 30% outcome over the average 3% population....that's drastic...very drastic.

Again, thanks for posting those studies.
 


Dave...I think we were replying to each other at the same time...so my last reply to you is actually close to the above post. But anyway, basically my thoughts on gay parenting with regard to adopted children.
 
It is a choice as sin always is. We have free choice to not sin.
 

My question is just how accurate was the gene mapping at the time of these studies? You are probably aware that all it takes is a single set of letters of genetic code in a reversed location, and this could generate a change in say...a male's reaction to female pheromones that normally serve to incite attraction. Is that not correct?

Another question arises, just how perfect a match does it take to get "identical" twins? Is it not possible that the researchers missed one reversed set amongst the millions of marking pairs which would otherwise leave any set of twins appearing a "perfect" match?
 
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DaveFagan said:
I don't need to taste a dog turd to know I won't like it. .
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So it's not a choice, then. If it were a choice, you could simply choose to like it.

Heaven only knows, there is a plentiful supply of the stuff. At least in my back yard there is.
 
i remember the first time i realized i was attracted to girls. i was four years old in nursery school, and i fell head over heels for another girl. we proceeded to have mock marriages every month or two.

i truly doubt that it's any different for gay people. i was friends with a girl in high school who was the ultimate tomboy, and she made a real effort to date guys, but it was just completely obvious that she was gay. she even asked me out, but there was something about her masculinity that turned me off. we're still friends, and she has fully come out. some of her friends were surprised, but i wasn't. so no, i don't think it's a "choice."
 
Removable Mind said:
Brother David..."Sin" is such an abstract word/term. But then again, you do know that...really you do.
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funny part is homosexuality isnt a sign even by his religion
 
Removable Mind said:
OJ...I think David just chimed in with a reply to you post...which was an expected reply.
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he did and as usually he doesnt even realize that his post is factually wrong
 
Gardener said:
So it's not a choice, then. If it were a choice, you could simply choose to like it.

Heaven only knows, there is a plentiful supply of the stuff. At least in my back yard there is.
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Ever heard of fecalphelia? It's actually not unheard of for someone to "choose" to like feces.

The genitalia of your own gender would strike me as being rather tame by way of comparison.
 
I have to question the notion that homosexuality is a choice. I mean, there are places where that can get you killed, yet homosexuals are still found there. Why would they choose to be gay in that situation where the threat of death exists?
 
No one can know the answer to this - they can only guess.

My guess is that the majority are 'gay' at birth.

But a small/medium minority choose.
 
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