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Is Homosexuality A Choice?

Is Homosexuality A Choice?

  • Yes

    Votes: 33 15.9%
  • No

    Votes: 136 65.7%
  • Maybe/Don't Know

    Votes: 38 18.4%

  • Total voters
    207
Uh huh. Sham marriages. But hey, that's not for me to decide, and that's the point. People should marry the person they love, not whoever you think they should love.

Point is, some gays have flipped over to the other side. A straight man can't do that.
 
Point is, some gays have flipped over to the other side. A straight man can't do that.

Bahahahah. So you're making the claim right now, no straight male has ever later turned gay? REALLY?

The lengths you will go to push your points. Amazing.
 
There is exactly no difference between the sentence "God says ....." and the sentence "I say ...." - because the person picked his/her "God" - and then wants to replace "I" with "God" to claim superior authority. In short, when a person says "God says..." the person really is saying "I am God and I as God says..."

Once a person defines him/herself as God in their claims, there is no basis for discussion.
 
Uh huh. Sham marriages. But hey, that's not for me to decide, and that's the point. People should marry the person they love, not whoever you think they should love.

No, a person should marry who he/she wants to marry.
 
That's like saying, when did you choose to be straight?

It's most certainly not something anyone can control, it just happens. I didn't choose to be straight, I just love women.
 
amercianwoman is implying the SS orientation is biological. Prove it.

I said 'I don't think' as in me, what I personally think it is or is not, why should I prove what I think? Why don't you prove it's not biological since you are coming at me like I said it was.
 
I said 'I think' as in me, what I personally think it is, why should I prove what I think? Why don't you prove it's not biological since you are coming at me like I said it was.

That is something that most people on this forum will never understand. Opinions do not have to be proven.
 
I don't think it weakens the cause either. I just don't believe something that makes no sense whatsoever. Homosexuality is an attraction to the same sex. Attractions cannot be chosen.
 
I don't think it weakens the cause either. I just don't believe something that makes no sense whatsoever. Homosexuality is an attraction to the same sex. Attractions cannot be chosen.

Then fight it out with Merriam-Webster.
 
But I'm not wrong. You don't understand the principles.


you are 100% factually wrong and thats already been proven

like i have asked you many times already if you disagree simply factually prove it using "your" religion

everytime you tried and posted something you completely failed and it proved me right

maybe in your next post youll have some facts or something that supports you, if you are right why dont you simply just post this evidence, i cant wait to read it
 
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Then fight it out with Merriam-Webster.
Words can have more than one meaning. You are simply equivocating.

Take the word mouse:

Say I am talking about a mouse as in a rodent. You then say I am wrong, because a mouse is not a rodent, it is a timid person. You then give me the above dictionary definition. Yes, a mouse is a timid person. But that is not what I am talking about. If I was talking about the rodent, and asked you to bring me a mouse, and you brought me a timid person, you would be wrong. Saying "well that's what mouse means" would be an obviously fallacious excuse.

The same is true for homosexuality. Clearly I was referring to the definition of homosexuals as people attracted to the same sex. Whereas gay sex can be classified as "homosexual" that is not what is meant by the term in the context of this discussion, nor by virtually any homosexual who uses or identifies as that term.
 
Point is, some gays have flipped over to the other side. A straight man can't do that.

This is quite possibly the most ignorant thing I've ever read. Maybe you should open another exodus international.
 

I disagree. We can pay attention to things we aren't attracted to. A boring lecture just before the exam for instance, the naked guy robbing the store (even hetero males can give an accurate description to the police). Bad examples maybe but I'm pressed for time. Attraction is not unchangeable. My standards of attraction change, willfully, depending on the quality of prospective mates in my environment. -Which, incidentally explains (partly, at least) homosexual behavior in prisons and on navy ships.

There is no "force" that controls who/what I pay attention to. In my opinion, my ability to pay attention is only limited as indicated by the total number of who's and what's I can pay attention to at once. What do you say to the notion that.... Sexual orientation can't change and anyone who testifies that it can is a bisexual.... is an example of circular logic?
 

Holy #$%^! I totally agree. Whether or not sexual orientation is a choice should have no bearing on equal rights for all.
 

What do you mean by "accept" in heterosexuals a basic....? I don't believe such a drive exists, even if it did, i would not believe that it could not and should not be ignored. I disagree with the second sentence ("Yet you seem...") I don't feel that way at all.


Yes. That's plausible. Only to be proven/disproven by geneticists.

I also disagree that arousal is inevitable simply because those stressors you mention are not present due to the above.

Of course. It's not inevitable.




I am still thinking about what, aside from innate homosexual orientation, would cause the boy's behavior. Tough one.
 
If homosexuality is not a choice, then must there be genetic markers for it?
What about bisexuals? Should they also have distinct genetic markers for bisexuality?
How do people who believe that sexual orientation is not a choice explain bisexuals?


Is sexual orientation evidenced by sexual acts, falling in love (with a certain sex), or both?

I've heard many people say that it is not sexual acts alone. I agree. After all, everything (not everything you literal idiots) feels good with the lights off.
I haven't heard any comments on whether it is or isn't related to who you fall in love with. I have heard that sexual orientation is related strongly to attraction. As in: If you are attracted to the same sex then you are homosexual.

And that being attracted to whichever of the two sexes you are attracted to... never changes. This point I find difficult to agree with. I find that familiarity (among other things) breeds attraction. You become familiar by paying attention. Who you pay attention to is influenced in part by who is in your environment. Not that your environment forces you to pay a certain amount of attention to someone. It certainly does not.

It's a tricky call. Which is the cause of the other?
I looked at his butt as he walked by because I am attracted to him
Or
I became attracted after staring at his butt?

The first situation implies (to me) that I have no control over where my own eyes point. The second situation makes more sense to me.... Staring lead to contemplating and contemplating lead to lusting.

In guys who say they did not choose to be straight, I think they simply have not allowed themselves to get to the contemplating phase, or to get past it.

In guys who say they tried to be attracted to girls but it never worked.... Well, I don't want to argue with their personal experience. After all, they are firsthand, expert witnesses. Still, I think on a long enough timeline, with the right kind of contemplating, then attraction would occur. Attention comes first.
 
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I'm a heterosexual but I choose abstinence since I'm no longer married. To that same degree is homosexuality a choice for gays, no more or less.
 
There's no poll.

But no, homosexuality isn't a choice. Gays can't just flip over to the other side anymore than a straight person can make himself gay.
You're posting this 1 minute after the thread was made. Have you never made a poll? The poll does not appear with the thread. The poll has to be made after the thread is made. It takes a moment if you want it don right. Calm the **** down Mr. Eager Beaver.
 

Well as you could see I did not state you had such a belief, (noted by the various "??" I placed) only that it seemed to me that might be the case. Thank you for corrcting my impression.


I chose to focus on this part of your second post because it goes hand in hand with my possible genetic deviation theory. Always recall, I consider this only ONE of three factors that lead to active homo- and heterosexuality.

We alread know that certain combinations of X and Y chromosomes not only determine sex (XX = female, XY = male) but that there are combinations that cause other effects (XXX, XXY, XYY, etc.) such as females with male characteristics, males with female characteristics, and even hermaphrodites.

It is my belief that sexual orientation is a natural population control mechanism for the Human species, and as such our genetic codes carry "markers" for the whole range of sexual orientations...with hetero and homosxuality on the extremes and bisexuality serving as in interim bridge. This theory does not eliminate choice, since individual personality can effect behavior such that either orientation, heterosexual or homosexual, can have members with a very experimental personality leading to such things as sadism, masochism, beastiality, group sex, and even same-sex/opposite-sex encounters.

Still, it is my belief that bisexuality is a distinct orientation serving as an initial expression of population control to slow growth in a developing population, and homosexuality is an expression to retard such growth.
 
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Still, it is my belief that bisexuality is a distinct orientation serving as an initial expression of population control to slow growth in a developing population, and homosexuality is an expression to retard such growth.

My understanding is that the world's population has boomed over the past 1000 years compared to that previous 10,000. You are suggesting that, despite being able to grow our own food and increase beef production, that evolution in the past 1000 years has turned on a control-the-pop-via-homosexuality-function? That's pretty fast-acting evolution. Or, are you saying the marker is already there and just awaits being turned on? Of course, it would help to know how many homosexuals there were between 1000 and 10,000 years ago. And it would help to know what environmental cues turn on the homosexuality function. Lack of food? Possibly. -If there is a difference in the # of homosexuals in food poor nations and the # of homosexuals in food rich nations. If the rate is the same, then lack of food will not turn on the cue/marker.
 
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