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In school, I was taught that fascism was not in fact right wing, but compared to American Government, it was very much left wing. Our history class taught that the Nazi party of Germany had a meeting with the Communist Party of Germany to discuss a number of things starting on what slogans would be and what category they would say they were. Fascists were very much left wing, but they looked like right wing extremists compared to the communists, so they decided to call the communists left wing and call the fascists right wing to avoid confusion.
Fascism is left wing because you cannot own a business or large home if you don't toe the line that the ruling party draws.. If you don't toe the line, they take your business and give it to someone who will. It is far right of either communism or socialism in that it allows private property at all. In socialism the government owns all the business and makes sure that everyone is paid equally, and in communism the gov't owns everything and makes sure that everyone has everything they need.
So fascism is far right of communism but still pretty far left of American conservatism. It's somewhere in the middle.
Its more so a horseshoe. The far right and the far left are a lot closer to each other then they are to the respective moderates on either side.
When you get past the semantics of Communism and Fascism this is more or less the case. The more extreme left or right gets, and the more power they have to execute their beliefs, the less rights everyone else suddenly has.
But anyway, yes, fascism is the polar extreme of right wing ideology, communism the polar extreme of left wing ideology.
If you look back to the birth of fascism, you'll see that the term corporatism was considered as a name for the phenomenon.
One of the descriptors is government and business in collusion.
Fascism is the Right wing orgasm of Corporations running the gov't and is pretty much what we have in the USA right now. Big Energy, Banking, Big Pharmam and Chemical corporations rule the roost. US Gov't trying ot promote GMO seeds for Monsanto. "Too big to fail" bailouts for banksters. Wars to get control of Energy resources. Healthcare bills passed to take care of Big Pharma. We need to discuss starting wars for good business profits.
Its more so a horseshoe. The far right and the far left are a lot closer to each other then they are to the respective moderates on either side.
Yes. Its a far right wing authoritarian political ideology. Its a far right wing on the economic scale, and is authoritarian on the vertical scale. So on the standard political spectrum its in the way upper right quadrant.
The more extreme left or right gets, and the more power they have to execute their beliefs, the less rights everyone else suddenly has.
Interesting response. I'm just really used to so many people screaming that fascism and conservatism are the same thing and then proceeding to equate me to Hitler, so a reasonable tempered response was almost unexpected. Good to be sure that there are more than six sane people on this planet. Most people on this site aren't so crude (except head of joaquin) but the demonstration of ignorance by locals in my town is a bit disheartening sometimes, which is why I made this thread. I wanted to see if everyone was so ignorant or if it's just my town.
And btw, I enjoy your avatar.
Yes. Its a far right wing authoritarian political ideology. Its a far right wing on the economic scale, and is authoritarian on the vertical scale. So on the standard political spectrum its in the way upper right quadrant.
Fascism is the Right wing orgasm of Corporations running the gov't and is pretty much what we have in the USA right now. Big Energy, Banking, Big Pharma and Chemical corporations rule the roost. US Gov't trying to promote GMO seeds for Monsanto. "Too big to fail" bailouts for banksters. Wars to get control of Energy resources. Healthcare bills passed to take care of Big Pharma. We need to discuss starting wars for good business profits.
Definitions vary.
In my book, "the Left" means "proponents of government control over economic activities and society at large". The Stalinists being the ultimate "far Left": using our weird contemporary language, "extremely liberal economically, extremely conservative socially". The Nazis were a bit milder on the economic side, and the Fascists substantially less aggressive on both counts, but all three ideologies sit squarely in the "advanced Left" corner.
What would you say is the version of extreme right wing ideology?
In school, I was taught that fascism was not in fact right wing, but compared to American Government, it was very much left wing. Our history class taught that the Nazi party of Germany had a meeting with the Communist Party of Germany to discuss a number of things starting on what slogans would be and what category they would say they were. Fascists were very much left wing, but they looked like right wing extremists compared to the communists, so they decided to call the communists left wing and call the fascists right wing to avoid confusion.
Fascism is left wing because you cannot own a business or large home if you don't toe the line that the ruling party draws.. If you don't toe the line, they take your business and give it to someone who will. It is far right of either communism or socialism in that it allows private property at all. In socialism the government owns all the business and makes sure that everyone is paid equally, and in communism the gov't owns everything and makes sure that everyone has everything they need.
So fascism is far right of communism but still pretty far left of American conservatism. It's somewhere in the middle.
What would you say is the version of extreme right wing ideology?
Everything you just mentioned are perfect reasons why we need to reduce the government's power.
Or simply reduce the financial influence of the groups usurping the govt we have.
The cleverest thing ever done is convincing us that the govt THEY select is our problem, NOT that they are selecting who we get to vote between.
Money picks our candidates in the Wealth Primaries.
So the very ones who complain the most are the ones who picked our politicians in the first place.
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