Chevalier said:This thread is based in a debate Technocratic Utilitarian started in another thread and to keep that thread pure I am starting that topic here. If you would like to see the origin of this discussion, we were in "Who Killed Jesus?" at about post #241. So I will begin if possible with where we left off and feel free to join in.
”That could probably be the issue at hand--a semantic one. The only reason I referred to it as "communism," is due to my texts. They stipulated a difference between marxist Communism and communism. I don't feel there is any connotation to the term communism that is intrinsically bad. I don't think Christianity is "Communism." I usually differentiate communalism/"communism" from Communism via a Capitalized C.”
The issue as I understand from textual studies is somewhat semantic, but also heavily historical. From that I did understand your differentiation. It is a matter of academic interpretation as well. See, whereas democracy has a definition in Greece, and ancient world presence, Athens, and can effectively be studied in ebb and flow from that time to the present; there is no corresponding historical definition of or reference to communism. That does not mean we cannot go back to early Christianity and see parallels. It means instead that “communism” as a concept per se had not been articulated yet, though as I said previously, there are clear contacts of thought. While those contacts exist, they are also lines of disconnect. This should get us started without being too long.
Lucidthots said:No- communists are obsessed with acquiring material "things."
Christianity is a rejection of the material, for the supernatural!
sissy-boy said:
I think you're trying to give to much credit to x-ianity when none is due. Saying that early christianity is Communism is like saying horse crap is 'what's for breakfast'.
BUT -- I do wish that *i* could be acredited with the murder of Jesus.
Napoleon's Nightingale said:There's never been a communist government by definition. There have been totalitarian governments. In terms of Christianity...that depends on how early you consider early. Certainly Christiantiy has had it's dark moments...800 years of them.
Chevalier said:And why would that be any source of pride for you, my friend? I see you are caught up in the self-aggrandizing culture around us. Maybe you can take pleasure in this: you and I and all others are responsible for Jesus' death. He died for you and I and the world. Like it or not Jesus paid a ransom for you as well, but you prefer to spit in his face. I pray for you my friend.
Canuck said:Both comunism's, Cristianity's beginings ,goals are the same ,to control the people.both achieve it much the same way ,except comunism is plagued by corruption more so , thus isnt as deceptive a device.But with the passing of time ,even religion has produced enough unHuman behavior. enough that subscription is down and floundering.
Chevalier said:Ah, I see you too do not know much about Christianity. You must not understand the faith's origins or its mission of redemption for a fallen, warring, and polluted world. Since there is no deception in the faith, only in its application, I must assume you mean the church has erred, which is true on the human side, but the divine side has been ever constant. Stay warm up there my friend.
Canuck said:thats true but the preceps are the same , while not to control, but gather in numbers, would have been more appropriate on my part.
Christians drive big cadilacs with the best of 'em
if you look to the strict term christianty ,belief in christ.
how ever it wouldn't be my term , for christian ,your going to have to walk a country mile, to see real christians.
Napoleon's Nightingale said:There's never been a communist government by definition. There have been totalitarian governments. In terms of Christianity...that depends on how early you consider early. Certainly Christiantiy has had it's dark moments...800 years of them.
Chevalier said:I dare say not many Christians I know drive caddys. For myself, I drive a chevy prism nearly 40 mpg and that let's me give 20% of my salary to hunger relief and reconstruction in the South while still tithing. Why would I do that? Because Christ did more, much more for me, I respond in gratitude.
You must live out in the country if you have to walk a mile to find a Christian. I see Christians, you know those folk who acknowledge they are sinners in need of God's redemptive help in the person of Christ, 6-7 days a week.
Canuck said:How'S THAT ?
OH KNOW !
Please can you tell us,how jews sent him to his father according to your dogma and your interpretation of that dogma using the book that is missing complete books please the new testament I dont even want to here the
SCOFIELDS or the RApture new religions or the souther baptists for that matter
how does it go tell us in your words how it was not the jews(hebrew)
Canuck said:blah blah you avoid the question at hand
country mile is a term look it up
I don't question you being christian
answer the question
Canuck said:While you are all responsable for the Natl gaurd deaths in IRAQ.And the Atrocities they comit.
Jesus isnt My doing.The Jews chose him ,and saved another Jesus Barabas,in his place.
Lucidthots said:Those "dark moments" had nothing to do with "Christianity."
Lucidthots said:Christianity is a Philosophy......if not applied, you dont have Christianity.
Lucidthots said:What you suggest is like blaming Buddhism for Pol Pot........clearly Pol had forgotten the teachings of Lord Buddha and instead applied those of Mr. Khan.
Napoleon's Nightingale said:Yes they did. Apparently you've never heard of the Dark Ages.
Like all things, a philosophy's value is determined by how it is applied. There are more passages in the bible encouraging violence, murder, and genocide than in any other religious text.
Every religion has it's dark teachings. Again, it's a matter of how those teachings are put into practice. Christianity has more blood on it's metaphorical hands than any other religion in history to date.
Lucidthots said:No "every religion" does not have its "dark teachings."
Lucidthots said:As far as "Christianity" having blood on its hands.....that is not possible........like I said Pol Pot was not a Buddhist........the Inquisition etc had NOTHING to do with the teachings of Jesus Christ.
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