Is early Christianity communism?

[Technocratic_Utilitarian]

I don't care what some pro-atheist website says about Hitler.

Appeal To Origins Fallacy.

I've read books about his life. Read Joachim C. Fest's, "Hitler". Fest mentions several times where the national socialists quarrled with Christian groups and that nihilism and Germanic pagan religions were behind their motivations.

Quarrel doesn't logically equate to "not christian." I can point to many texts which say just the opposite of your guy, especially teh works of Adolph himself.

Fest is NOT some modern day American Christian with a bias. He was/is one of the most prominent journalists in Germany.

And? Are you saying he's infallible? Argument from Appeal to Authority much?

And everyone knows that Stalin was an atheist communist. Your assertion that Christianity breed Stalin is 100% ridiculous.

Who cares if he were an Atheist? Not all communism is atheist. This is also irrelevant to hitler's and the nazi christianity. THey were.

 

[George_Washington]

And? Are you saying he's infallible? Argument from Appeal to Authority much?

Then show me your evidence which proves both Hitler and the Nazi Party were Christian.

 

[Technocratic_Utilitarian]

Ok. I will. The sources I will use are

"The Hitler Myth", as well as the personal writings of Hilter, including, but not only 'Mein Kampf." His PERSONAL philosphy and justifcation for his actions. Everything in Mein Kampf is what he thought and did.

I will begin posting after class today.

 

[George_Washington]

Ok. I will. The sources I will use are

"The Hitler Myth", as well as the personal writings of Hilter, including, but not only 'Mein Kampf." His PERSONAL philosphy and justifcation for his actions. Everything in Mein Kampf is what he thought and did.

Ok show me what you have and I'll look at it.

And no, he didn't go by Mein Kampf exclusively. He was writing a second book but never got it published. I'll dig up some quotes from my sources in the next few days.

And keep in mind that when you say Fest isn't infallible, I could also say the same thing about whoever wrote this "Hitler Myth" book.

 

[Lucidthots]

What the hell is that supposed to mean. Nothing's wrong with Materialism.

Well for one thing the so-called "art" in a Materialistic society is worthless garbage.

The architecture in a Materialism is ugly and boring.

The people in a Materialism glamorize criminals and criminality.

There are a few reasons to start with.

 

[Technocratic_Utilitarian]

Well for one thing the so-called "art" in a Materialistic society is worthless garbage.

The architecture in a Materialism is ugly and boring.

The people in a Materialism glamorize criminals and criminality.

There are a few reasons to start with.

That's all subjective nonsense. There's no reason to consider one "art" better than another "art." Art is all pure opinion. THere's nothing objective about art at all.

What you consider boring others might not. There's nothing wrong with boring architecture. Form follows function--utilitarian architecture.

And no, people don't glamorize criminals because of materialism. That's a false cause fallacy.

 

[Lucidthots]

And no, people don't glamorize criminals because of materialism. That's a false cause fallacy.

Look at our current "pop" culture...it glamorizes criminality.

Our current culture worships criminals as gods.

Our current culture glamorizes brutality.

As for my opinion about art---it is my opinion that matters to me.

The art of Materialistic Societies is either repulsive or simply worthless garbage.

 

[Technocratic_Utilitarian]

Look at our current "pop" culture...it glamorizes criminality.

Our current culture worships criminals as gods.

Our current culture glamorizes brutality.

As for my opinion about art---it is my opinion that matters to me.

The art of Materialistic Societies is either repulsive or simply worthless garbage.

1. Has nothing to do with matieralism at all, and you have failed to prove it

2. Has nothign to do with materialism, and you have failed to prove it

3. your opinon has nothing to do with materialism. Not all opinions are sacred simply because they are opinions.

4. Again, nonsense subjective comment propagated as something meaningful. Your subjective opinion does not make materialism bad.

None of what you said has any objective basis.

 

[George_Washington]

Technocratic, I don't have very long to stay on here. I'll post more quotes from Fest's book in the next few days and I can also quote stuff from the "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" if you like. It really would be wise of you to take Fest a highly credible source because he's been one of Germany's foremost writers of the Nazi period. He grew up in the Third Reich and one of his books was also the basis for the film, "Downfall". If anybody is an authority on the Third Reich, it's definitely Fest.

Anyway, here are a few quotes for you to consider:

"If we survey the whole scene, we must grant that in the cultural realm as well, "co-ordination" proceeded without a protest, without a sign of effective opposition. Only the Protestant Church was able to resist the open seizure of power in its ranks, although at the price of fission. The Catholic Bishops had hitherto attacked Nazism in a series of strongly militant statements and had officially condemned it. But their will to resist was undermined by the negotations for a concordat, already begun during the Weimar years and eargerly resumed by Hitler."

-"Hitler" p. 426

Here, Fest states that both the Protestant and Catholic Churches tried to resist domination by the Nazis. Right there we see that Hitler could not have been a Catholic. Religious people, the military, and businessmen actually were not the chief supporters of the Nazis. This becomes obvious when Fest goes on to say:

"The point has often been made that the corps of the high-ranking military officers or big business proved to be the weakest spot in the country's defenses against Nazism. But that thesis becomes somewhat questonable when we consider how swiftly and easily the regime succeeded in overwhelming the intellectuals, the professors, the artists and writers, the universities and academies."

-"Hitler" p. 426

And a lot of the Intellectuals that Fest describes were not Christian but atheist.

 

[Lucidthots]

4. Again, nonsense subjective comment propagated as something meaningful. Your subjective opinion does not make materialism bad.

None of what you said has any objective basis.

Yes and nothing you have said has any objective basis either.

Art is subjective.

Beauty is subjective.

Therefore my opinion on the matter is supreme when considering the society I wish to live in.

When communism took over in China, they banned the traditional "Kung-Fu" movies for portraying men as having Mystical faculties.

In materialism, art portrays people as physical objects only, there is no humanity, no human spirit, as a result there is only misery and death.

 

[Technocratic_Utilitarian]

Yes and nothing you have said has any objective basis either.

Art is subjective.

Beauty is subjective.

Therefore my opinion on the matter is supreme when considering the society I wish to live in.

When communism took over in China, they banned the traditional "Kung-Fu" movies for portraying men as having Mystical faculties.

In materialism, art portrays people as physical objects only, there is no humanity, no human spirit, as a result there is only misery and death.

What I said does have a basis in fact--that fact basis comes in the form of me saying you have no justified reason for your hasty generalization in that all materialism is bad, especially in art.

That's a fact, since you admit that it is only your subjective opinion. My focus on that, as well as your final recognition of it, proves my very statement.

 

[sissy-boy]

I don't care what some pro-atheist website says about Hitler. I've read books about his life. Read Joachim C. Fest's, "Hitler". Fest mentions several times where the national socialists quarrled with Christian groups and that nihilism and Germanic pagan religions were behind their motivations. Fest is NOT some modern day American Christian with a bias. He was/is one of the most prominent journalists in Germany.

And everyone knows that Stalin was an atheist communist. Your assertion that Christianity breed Stalin is 100% ridiculous.

You obviously have not read ENOUGH about Hitler and the terrorists that he led. They were CHRISTIANS, yet a lot of people try to deny this so that Christians don't have even MORE blood on their hands. But the evidence is in the fact that the Vatican bank is handing out holocaust reparations because they already admit this fact.
You're just in DENIAL about it just as you were about the fact that the Inqusition and the Crusades killed FAR more people (it's not even debatable) than Stalin -- probably up into the BILLIONS as Christianity was forced on people as these Jerry Falwell types pillaged Europe and the Americas.
Don't you think it's about time that you learned something about your cult's roots?

 

[George_Washington]

You obviously have not read ENOUGH about Hitler and the terrorists that he led. They were CHRISTIANS, yet a lot of people try to deny this so that Christians don't have even MORE blood on their hands. But the evidence is in the fact that the Vatican bank is handing out holocaust reparations because they already admit this fact.
You're just in DENIAL about it just as you were about the fact that the Inqusition and the Crusades killed FAR more people (it's not even debatable) than Stalin -- probably up into the BILLIONS as Christianity was forced on people as these Jerry Falwell types pillaged Europe and the Americas.
Don't you think it's about time that you learned something about your cult's roots?

You are obviously brainwashed by your hatred.

Sissy-Boy, I've read many pieces of literature about the Third Reich ever since my freshman year in college. Among them are:

"Hitler" by Joachim C. Fest

"The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" by William L. Shirer

I suggest you take your head out of your ass and read those two books. Both of those men grew up under the Third Reich. What they write clearly indicates that the Nazis were motivated by atheism and Germanic paganism.

Among many other things...Himmler and Rosenberg devised a complete outline of how they were going to eliminate Christianity set up paganism throughout the Reich. Furthermore...The Catholic Church openly condemned Nazism.

And don't give me that crap about how modern writers have changed the history of the Third Reich. Fest and Shirer lived actually through it.

 

[Technocratic_Utilitarian]

Of course, Washington will glue herself to her two sources and automatically dismiss anyone who disagrees with them, simply because they are "authorities." Haha.

YOU WRONG!

SHE RIGHT!

:lol:

 

[George_Washington]

Of course, Washington will glue herself to her two sources and automatically dismiss anyone who disagrees with them, simply because they are "authorities." Haha.

YOU WRONG!

SHE RIGHT!

:lol:

Uh...have you lost your mind? I'm a male. I have male organs.

I'll say it again: If you have evidence to contradict me, than cite some quotes. If not, than just admit you were wrong.

 

[sissy-boy]

You are obviously brainwashed by your hatred.

Sissy-Boy, I've read many pieces of literature about the Third Reich ever since my freshman year in college. Among them are:

"Hitler" by Joachim C. Fest

"The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" by William L. Shirer

I suggest you take your head out of your ass and read those two books. Both of those men grew up under the Third Reich. What they write clearly indicates that the Nazis were motivated by atheism and Germanic paganism.

Among many other things...Himmler and Rosenberg devised a complete outline of how they were going to eliminate Christianity set up paganism throughout the Reich. Furthermore...The Catholic Church openly condemned Nazism.

And don't give me that crap about how modern writers have changed the history of the Third Reich. Fest and Shirer lived actually through it.

I don't care if you believe what I tried to get through your brainwashed skull or not, but you SHOULD know that you're one of a very few MINORITIES that believe in the revisionist BS that you wrote. It doesn't matter what evidence anyone gives you that is FACTUAL, you've already been fooled into believing in something as ridiculous as the idea of Christianity having some link to 'GOD', so anything you say already is pretty suspect.

And I'm sure the Catholic church DID speak out against the Holocaust, they even speak out about PEDOPHILIA for chrissakes and they are the ones that made pedophilia POPULAR!

If you would take the kotex out of your ears and put them in your MOUTH for a change you might be able to look at something with some rational INSIGHT for once.

 

[sissy-boy]

Uh...have you lost your mind? I'm a male. I have male organs.

I'll say it again: If you have evidence to contradict me, than cite some quotes. If not, than just admit you were wrong.

Nazi's pagan?? HAHAHAHAA!!

http://www.theturning.org/folder/nazis.html
And here is a few photos you may want to take a look at:

http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm
http://www.auschwitz.dk/docu/King.htm
http://www.sullivan-county.com/nf0/fundienazis/royal_race.htm



But don't let those stop you, I only got 2 MILLION and a half hits for 'Christian Nazis'.

But the BEST evidence is the neo-nazi's of today who are admitted Christians. This is precisely why so many hate Jews because they think that the Jews killed Christ. This is common knowledge. (though most likely not to you)