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Is Donald Trump the master debator?

EnigmaO01 said:
Haven't made a trip overseas since "W" left office? Or have you ever left your county? If you had you'd know "W" was the one that made us the laughing stock of the world. Obama is well liked overseas. Bush was not.
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It's sure gotten us far, hasn't it?

The great thing about Bush being disliked and Obama liked is that the rest of the world largely acts the same: it pursues its own interests, wherever possible. Flattery and conciliation (an approach Obama tried heavily in his first term) doesn't really change the geopolitical calculus.
 
Ray410 said:
I don't agree that Trump is an embarrassment, but regardless, nothing could be more embarrassing for the United States of America than that childlike fool Obama traveling around the world apologizing for his own country and bowing and scraping to our traditional enemies, thinking they will like and respect him because they all have his hatred of America in common. They all just laugh at him now.
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We disagree. I'd like to think we can do so reasonably.

I think you consider Obama an embarrassment because you don't particularly like him.

He certainly has more respect overseas than Dubya ever had.

And to think that Obama hates America is just an example of an American conservative venting his frustration. It doesn't anger me. For some reason, it actually makes me laugh.

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EnigmaO01 said:
Haven't made a trip overseas since "W" left office? Or have you ever left your county? If you had you'd know "W" was the one that made us the laughing stock of the world. Obama is well liked overseas. Bush was not.
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Let's not pretend that and idiot pushover is not more likable to other countries, Mmmmmkay.
 
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