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Is Dem Leadership the worst it's ever been?

Dans La Lune

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Is this the worst Dem leadership in modern history? I have honestly never seen anything like it. They are either MIA, captured by special interests, capitulating to (or even trying to protect) Republicans, patting comically corrupt Dems on the back (Eric Adams) while not endorsing their insanely popular candidates, and plain just fumbling the ball at every opportunity. This is a terrible era, but also an opportunity to mobilize vast swaths of the American people. What are they even doing? What's the message? What are they for or against that can harness public sentiment? It's like trying to start a fire without oxygen.

 
What are you guys expecting then to do?
 
Cork said:
What are you guys expecting then to do?
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They can start by stopping the insanity of trying to please a small minority at the expense of overlooking the majority. Getting Back to basics of what their job is for everyone not just a select few. Being intimidated by the thought of losing a small subset of voters is ridiculous and self serving. They need a very clear message that will resonate with the majority. It’s that simple. Trump is giving them the opportunity of a lifetime and they just can’t seem to get their shit together.
 
The polling suggests so, multi-decade lows in favorability. Question on leadership and their messaging on the issues (or dealing with any opposition moderate to hard core MAGA.)

All too easy to answer, yes, Democratic Party and Democratic Congressional Leadership is at one hell of a low. And everyone outside of the core party loyalists sees it.
 
You're not saying anything.

What actions you want them to take? From my point of view they're doing all they can do to combat Trump insanity.

They hold no cards currently so their options are limited.

My only problem is I don't understand how Republicans control the narrative all the time. I think I finally accept the fact that the general population are just really dumb.
 
gman said:
They need a very clear message that will resonate with the majority. It’s that simple.
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Yep.

They're trying to fight a defensive battle by shooting in 100 directions.

Bill Clinton pointed out decades ago that Democrats need to be close to the center to win. They don't appear to be there.
 
8 months after Trump entered the office of the presidency, the democrats are still too busy fighting between different factions of their party for control. This leaves them leaderless and rudderless. Very much a drift on the political sea. The democrats don’t have a positive and unified message to give the American people. What does the democratic party stand for today other than being anti-Trump? Nothing comes to mind. There’s no focus within that party. Simply put, Trump has the democrats flummoxed.

If the democrats don’t come up with a leader, come up with a positive coherent message, unify and stop all this infighting for control soon, they may wake up after the midterms to find the GOP still in control of congress, both the house and the senate.

Is the democratic party leadership the worst its ever been? I don’t know, but I do know those occupying the leadership positions, both elected and in the DNC have shown no leadership skills at all. Seems they’re willing to let all this infighting for control continue, to let Trump to continue to run roughshod over them in the process.
 
No, they're not. They are bad, though, oligarch-lite, who seem to prefer Republicans to Progressives. But it's not worth talking about compared to how bad Republicans - utterly corrupt, anti-Democracy, anti-American, fascist, and traitorous are.
 
It’s pretty bad. Whether it’s the worst it’s ever been, that’s debatable.

However, there is a truly good case to be made that Republican leadership 9s the worst it’s ever been. It’s titular head is a con man making billion dollar crypto and real estate deals for his personal wealth from behind the Resolute Desk, being the most bigot corrupted POTUS ever, and no one in my firmer party seems to care.

His DOJ has indicted Comey, who is a jerk but the last time I checked it wasn’t criminal to he stupid, in a case that can’t stand on selective enforcement issues. The key piece of evidence, a TS post from POTUS himself commanding his AG to get on selectively enforcing the law.

This administration makes a farce of anything and everything I swore an oath to uphold. It literally makes me sick.

I watch members of my former party trying to explain the unexplainable, and unforgivable, away like it’s nothing. They make me sick when they do so.
 
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I accept your criticism but where’s your answer for the question? Just throwing darts are we?
 
gman said:
I accept your criticism but where’s your answer for the question? Just throwing darts are we?
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They can't do anything. That's my point. People who are disappointed at the Dem leadership I find ridiculous, they aren't on a position to do anything.

Trump does a lot of insane shit and Republicans just praise everything he does yet somehow people expect better from Dems leadership. I hate how low the bar for Trump its nauseating honestly.

I hold the constituents responsible for the mess that we're in. It's like the farmers who voted for Trump for his first term, got screwed, and voted for him again. It's crazy.
 
Go back to 2016 when Trump won the presidency. Pelosi didn’t hesitate, she grabbed the reins of leadership and led the democrats to a gain of 42 seats in the house in the 2018 midterms giving the democrats control. Pelosi had less to work with than Jeffries, the republicans had 241-194 advantage in the house. The GOP currently has a 220-215 advantage. The democrats are much better off today than in 2017. The difference is Pelosi led, today the democrats are leaderless and rudderless as different factions with the democratic party fight for control.

Pelosi unified the democrats, put forth a positive coherent message for the public to hear. She let the people know exactly what the democratic party stood for. That isn’t happening today. The democrats are letting the republicans control the narrative today. They’re not telling the people what they stand for other than being anti-Trump. What is being proposed when it comes to new ideas, solutions to this country’s problems, how the democrats plan on making people’s lives better? Nothing, none. Just that Trump is the evilest scumbag on the face of the earth, that is their message to Americans. Nothing else.

Pelosi knew what she was doing, she knew most folks would respond to a positive message. Negative messages tend to get ignored, they’ve become normal, expected which most have become immune to all the negatives from both parties. Republicans control the narrative because democrats are too busy fighting among themselves for control of their party, no leader has stepped forward, they have no positive coherent message. It this simple.
 
No doubt about it. They couldn't even convince a small majority of the nation that a proven pathologically lying felon disgrace in a diaper was a really bad idea to be president of the United States. Dishonorable mention goes to the severe lack of quality among the electorate.
 
They are just completely out matched by the times and the skills they have just don't match the skills they need.

I'm assuming that after 10 million years in the Senate, Schumer is pretty good at working within his caucus and he has lots of relationships across the aisle. That would have been great in 1980, now, it's just a liability. He's probably getting fed the "we actually don't like Trump and are on your side" privately while the Republican Senators and House members vote with Trump 100%. So, rather than do anything of note, it's the strongly worded letter and the waiting game, just hoping that Republicans stand up to Trump because Schumer would rather do nothing than to take risks.

Also, Jeffries and Schumer are just not made for the modern age of politics. If either of them were good at talking to people and actually interesting, they could get their voice heard across the country. You'll never be able to shout as loud as the President, but you could talk to a lot of people and influence a lot of minds. Instead, they show up on CNBC once in awhile and otherwise are barricaded in their basements waiting for 2026.
 
Perotista said:
8 months after Trump entered the office of the presidency, the democrats are still too busy fighting between different factions of their party for control.
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What is the reason for there to be multi-factional rifts? The people are pretty clear on the direction they want to go. One side wants them to further to the right, one side wants them to go further left. The side that wants to go further left happens to be the Democratic base. The side that wants to go further right is the Republican base.

This ain't rocket science. The people ****ing this up are pseudo-intellectuals like Ezra Klein and the Political Consulting Cass who have a vested financial interest to steer the party into the dirt. Which is what they've done.
 
Dans La Lune said:
Is this the worst Dem leadership in modern history?
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No. There just isn't much they can do when both Congress and the SCOTUS are letting an authoritarian take over the country.
 
Dans La Lune said:
What is the reason for there to be multi-factional rifts?
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Both parties in the US have multiple factions. That's what happens when a nation of 340+ million people only have 2 political parties to work with.

Dans La Lune said:
The people are pretty clear on the direction they want to go. One side wants them to further to the right, one side wants them to go further left.
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Yeah, I don't think it is quite that cut-and-dried.

It seems more to me that...
- Almost everyone wants goods and services from the government.
- No one wants to pay for those good and services.
- A fairly small slice wants more equality and respect for minorities.
- A fairly small slice want to turn the US into a White Christian Nationalist country.
- Most people don't pay much attention to politics.

Dans La Lune said:
This ain't rocket science. The people ****ing this up are pseudo-intellectuals like Ezra Klein and the Political Consulting Cass who have a vested financial interest to steer the party into the dirt. Which is what they've done.
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ooooooooooookay

Sorry, but no. Among other things, you're ignoring how the right wing has built up elaborate media outlets that often dominate the narrative and set the terms of debate.

I.e. if Klein retired tomorrow, that's not going to fix any issues.

It also makes no sense to suggest that progressive pundits are being paid to... what, sabotage the party? By whom? Seems odd.

As to the shutdown? I have to say, I don't think anything will work, because no one should believe that Trump or Congressional Republicans are negotiating in good faith. They keep making and breaking their agreements. My guess is that Democrats are banking on the already baked-in heuristic of "Republicans get blamed for shutdowns."

It's also a bit odd to act like Democrats have already caved, when that isn't the case.
 

I don't think we're having the same memory. Everything since Trump got the cadency it's been negative because he deserves negative coverage.

It wasn't a positive message Pelosi was throwing out there. I can show you many interviews where she's always rightfully bashing Trump.

DEMS haven't been able controlled the narrative since I was born.

Somehow people been groomed to believe Republicans been better on the economy but just look at the numbers. Republicans keep crashing the economy and Dems keep having to fix it.

These clowns are pushing it out there now that Dems are more violent then Rs but the numbers says otherwise. For some stupid reason Rs propaganda stick with the general population and Dems don't.
 
The rift is within the democratic party. You don’t see the republicans fighting over leadership. Not all democrats are progressives. You do have a generational fight between the old guard and progressives, then moderates. And yes, there are certainly left leaning moderates within the democratic party. Although there are probably bordering on extinction. Remember the blue dogs? The democratic party has been pretty successful in getting rid of it’s moderates. Of course, the GOP has been doing the same thing. Go back to 2006 when party affiliation, identification was 36% democrats, 32% republicans, 30% independents. Compare that to today, 28% democrats, 28% republicans 43% independents.

Part of the fight is in what direction the democratic party wants to go. Progressives, much more left, the old guard and what’s left of the moderates, more toward the center. The idea of moving some toward the center is to reattract independents who left the democratic party or were driven out in the democratic party’s zest for pure liberal or progressive ideology. Of course, the same thing is going on with the republican party. But the GOP isn’t fighting over ideology, they’re fighting for an all pro-Trump party.
 
The party needs a changing of the guard. It's time for new blood and younger people who are willing to stand up to the gop and call them on their bullshit with facts, just like Jasmine Crockett and AOC and several other young Democrats.
 
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