Is celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk evil?

[cAPSLOCK]

Yes. Every single one.


I am educated and intelligent. There is no such thing as a smart non evil Trump supporter.

Hope this helps clear up your questions.

I really don't know why I'm gonna type this but I am.

This mindset leads to a very dark place for the person who holds it. Judgment and intolerance tends to wrap around and sting the person that holds those things in their heart. You might not like the source, but a famous person said, judge not lest you be judged. I believe what that means is the judgment lives in you. You don't need it to come from outside. In the end the impossible standards that you hold everyone else to become the cage that you live in.

If you can't accept that different people have different worldviews, different histories, different frameworks from which they start the very basis of their thoughts and opinions, then you could come to the conclusion that you've come to.

@cpwill has recently been bringing up the concept of theory of mind. This is a great place to start to see what I'm talking about.

But when you hold these positions, they eventually poison you from the inside out because you can't escape black and white judgment that you deal on others.

I have seen this happen. I've lived long enough to see it tear people up, lead them to drink, make many people around them miserable but no one nearly as miserable as they end up being.

Anyway, I hope you can find a way to be a little more understanding for people that aren't like you. But if you don't, well, that's yours to bear.

It's a little ironic, isn't it? When you think about what it was about Charlie Kirk that you hate. In the end, your soul just can't hold that tension any longer. And the mirror becomes your enemy.

And unfortunately, this is more epidemic in our culture now than I've ever seen in all the years I've been alive. Those videos prove it. People have no compassion, and they feel justified. If they think someone is wrong, death isn't even too much.

 

[cpwill]

Yes. Every single one.


I am educated and intelligent.

Evidently not terribly broadly experienced with people who aren't like you, however, because you then say things like:

There is no such thing as a smart non evil Trump supporter.

Depending on how you define "supporter", I can list off a ton.

 

[RF667799]

I really don't know why I'm gonna type this but I am.

This mindset leads to a very dark place for the person who holds it. Judgment and intolerance tends to wrap around and sting the person that holds those things in their heart. You might not like the source, but a famous person said, judge not lest you be judged. I believe what that means is the judgment lives in you. You don't need it to come from outside. In the end the impossible standards that you hold everyone else to become the cage that you live in.

If you can't accept that different people have different worldviews, different histories, different frameworks from which they start the very basis of their thoughts and opinions, then you could come to the conclusion that you've come to.

@cpwill has recently been bringing up the concept of theory of mind. This is a great place to start to see what I'm talking about.

But when you hold these positions, they eventually poison you from the inside out because you can't escape black and white judgment that you deal on others.

I have seen this happen. I've lived long enough to see it tear people up, lead them to drink, make many people around them miserable but no one nearly as miserable as they end up being.

Anyway, I hope you can find a way to be a little more understanding for people that aren't like you. But if you don't, well, that's yours to bear.

It's a little ironic, isn't it? When you think about what it was about Charlie Kirk that you hate. In the end, your soul just can't hold that tension any longer. And the mirror becomes your enemy.

And unfortunately, this is more epidemic in our culture now than I've ever seen in all the years I've been alive. Those videos prove it. People have no compassion, and they feel justified. If they think someone is wrong, death isn't even too much.

Chicken or egg? Do you think the hatred of others leads to self-hatred or an existing self-hatred leads to hatred of others? Or either way?

 

[cAPSLOCK]

Chicken or egg? Do you think the hatred of others leads to self-hatred or an existing self-hatred leads to hatred of others? Or either way?

That's a great question. And I don't know. I do think we may build these types of frameworks to deal with the pressure we feel from outside and it kind of makes sense. You're born into this world just a child at some point. You start having to justify stuff and you compare yourself to others and it snowballs like that I think.

There's another saying when you point at somebody you have three fingers pointing back? The Hindus call it karma. John Lennon called it Instant karma. People say you reap what you sow.

But yeah, I think it ends up becoming a vicious loop because I think you attract more of that too, and that's what you're projecting. I know I have. I might sound like I have a collection of crystals or something, but I just think it's a natural law of the universe. You give what you get, what you give, what you get.

Instead of lashing out this post, which I found terrible and extremely judgmental, I thought I would write the thing that I've learned in my own life.

Maybe it's just for me? I am a little judgmental from time to time.

 

[cAPSLOCK]

Evidently not terribly broadly experienced with people who aren't like you, however, because you then say things like:



Depending on how you define "supporter", I can list off a ton.

I was going to volunteer myself, but I have a few problems with that.

First, I'm mixed about Trump. I did vote for him, but there are things about his personality that I find too abrasive. His response to this, I feel like he could have at least done a little bit of a, we need to come together type speech, but on the other hand, one of the reasons he's successful is that he does roll the whole polarization thing. But I don't know how that's helping to be honest. So supporter? Yeah, I guess so. He got my vote, and I'm rooting for him. And I think he has a point when he says some of the things like he has recently.

But then there's the other thing about being smart and not evil.

Hmm.

 

[RF667799]

That's a great question. And I don't know. I do think we may build these types of frameworks to deal with the pressure we feel from outside and it kind of makes sense. You're born into this world just a child at some point. You start having to justify stuff and you compare yourself to others and it snowballs like that I think.

There's another saying when you point at somebody you have three fingers pointing back? The Hindus call it karma. John Lennon called it Instant karma. People say you reap what you sow.

But yeah, I think it ends up becoming a vicious loop because I think you attract more of that too, and that's what you're projecting. I know I have. I might sound like I have a collection of crystals or something, but I just think it's a natural law of the universe. You give what you get, what you give, what you get.

Instead of lashing out this post, which I found terrible and extremely judgmental, I thought I would write the thing that I've learned in my own life.

Maybe it's just for me? I am a little judgmental from time to time.

One can be judgmental without expending hatred on someone. Even judging yourself without hating. One has to have some sort of yardstick to measure one's actions. I think religion supplies that for many.

 

[cAPSLOCK]

One can be judgmental without expending hatred on someone. Even judging yourself without hating. One has to have some sort of yardstick to measure one's actions. I think religion supplies that for many.

I actually think that's what's missing from it seems an entire generation of people. I mean, people missing that have always been around, but I feel like the fact that so many people feel like it's okay to celebrate this.

But I think you're bringing up an important thing. It's a good kind of judgment. Judgment itself isn't bad. In fact, we would be in trouble without it. But I think the willingness to judge another soul unto damnnation and death is definitely over where the line is. I am admittedly a softie though.

 

[RF667799]

I actually think that's what's missing from it seems an entire generation of people. I mean, people missing that have always been around, but I feel like the fact that so many people feel like it's okay to celebrate this.

But I think you're bringing up an important thing. It's a good kind of judgment. Judgment itself isn't bad. In fact, we would be in trouble without it. But I think the willingness to judge another soul unto damnnation and death is definitely over where the line is. I am admittedly a softie though.

That's where the line is for me, and I'm not religious. I do become a little spiritual from time to time.

 

[Mr Person]

In which Fox commenters to this vid who 'abhor violence' rage and rage and rage (and rage) that Kirk's assassin was allowed to surrender. Naturally, none of them have the stones to say what should have been done to the guy when the surrender went down.




Extra credit: kinda amusing how literally none of them picked up on the fact that Fox put the word gentle in sarcasm quotes, so they're all raging omg they let him surrender GENTLY we can't have that.

Extra extra credit: kinda says something that the people who absolutely couldn't possibly be fascists are objecting to a suspect being allowed to surrender because of the identity of his victim.

Extra extra extra credit: kinda says something that not one of them paused to apply whatever it is they want to have happened to this guy to all future suspects.

Extra extra extra extra credit: how is allegedly "celebrating" violence bad but expressing outrage that violence was not done good?

 

[RF667799]

In which Fox commenters to this vid who 'abhor violence' rage and rage and rage (and rage) that Kirk's assassin was allowed to surrender. Naturally, none of them have the stones to say what should have been done to the guy when the surrender went down.

Extra credit: kinda amusing how literally none of them picked up on the fact that Fox put the word gentle in sarcasm quotes, so they're all raging omg they let him surrender GENTLY we can't have that.

That couldn't possibly be that it's a rather strange word to use to describe the surrender of an alleged murderer presumed to be armed and dangerous. Nor could it be due to that being the exact term the sheriff used to describe the terms of the surrender.

Extra extra credit: kinda says something that the people who absolutely couldn't possibly be fascists are objecting to a suspect being allowed to surrender because of the identity of his victim.

I think I missed that part of the video you supplied.

Extra extra extra credit: kinda says something that not one of them paused to apply whatever it is they want to have happened to this guy to all future suspects.

"Whatever it is"? You seem to be saying you know "whatever it is".. It isn't mystifying to me that they aren't extending "whatever it is" to all future suspects though, since your idea of "whatever it is" doesn't seem to be supported by the video you submitted.

Extra extra extra extra credit: how is allegedly "celebrating" violence bad but expressing outrage that violence was not done good?

I missed that part too.

The statements you gave as introduction to the video seem to be something you invented.

 

[Mr Person]

In which Fox commenters to this vid <rest of post>

I think I missed that part of the video you supplied.

Hold on. You saw a post that explicitly indicates it is about what is being said in the comments section of a video . . . .

. . . . and that's what you go with?

 

[RF667799]

Hold on. You saw a post that explicitly indicates it is about what is being said in the comments section of a video . . . .

. . . . and that's what you go with?

Oh. My bad. I thought you were talking about the commentators in the video.

No idea why you think random idiots posting in the comments section are relevant to the video.

What next? A bunch of BS or X comments to build a narrative on?

 

[JoeyJoystick]

The people who support his murder are too stupid to understand that when they justify murdering him for having conservative views they justify their own murder because of their own authoritarian leftist views.

Hi Gardener,

You are going off track here very very quickly. The question at hand is whether celebrating someone's death is evil, while you are extending this to justifying murder. Those are 2 completely different things.

Celebrating might be a bit of an overstatement, but I will not cry over the death of anyone I do not like. I do not like a person for a reason. Their absence makes my personal life better. But that does not mean that I condone, agree or encourage the use of violence to get a person into a state of being dead.

I neither like Kirk nor Trump. And I personally believe that the world is a better place without them. I do, however, strongly reject the notion that it is ok for them to be murdered to achieve that objective. That is utterly wrong. And this is why we have in place a framework called 'Law', which clearly states that it is not ok to prematurely end a person's life. Without that, we would have complete anarchy, which would be worse than being ruled by even the worst dictator.

Joey