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Is being gay a choice?

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George_Washington said:
No, because heterosexuals are the vast majority and what marriage has traditionally been defined as.
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That would be fine for people like you who seem fit with religious government, but we do not exist in a country where the MAJORITY is the only person that deserves equal rights, we live in a country where ALL enjoy EQUAL rights. Special rights for heterosexuals are simply UNCONSTITUTIONAL. NOW: DID I STUTTER??

GOOD.

Understand it and accept it. Otherwise move back to your land of religious rule or be happy with a Democracy.
 
jallman said:
This is another point we agree on, Chief. People like him just burn my jock when they scream tolerance but are so intolerant themselves.
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You're intolerant of rights for gay people and you ARE gay, which REALLY makes you look kind of silly. While you're busy wetting the bed about someone calling you names or beating you up, it's people like ME that are standing up to those who treat you as a 2nd class citizen and question your existence. You should be a little bit more grateful, but instead you have just learned to ACCEPT intolerance, which is really a pathetic manner in which to live.
 
Navy Pride said:
I agree he really hurts your cause with moderates and conservatives like me....
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YOU, 'moderate'??? HAHA!

You're 2 sentences away from being FASCIST.
 

I can't recall ever seeing jallman do any of those things you accuse him of. When? Where? How?
 

Let me explain one thing to you...and I hope this sinks in more than I have hoped anything since joining this forum. I feel no need to tout my orientation at every possible chance. I have no need to scream at my opposition or act like some foul mouthed swine when I hold conversation. It is people like you with your acting out and your shock attacks on the public that make my job harder. I maintain a normal, well adjusted life with a partner whom I adore more than life. I have a home and a family life that I protect with all my will from the unintelligent masses who would devalue me based on nothing more than my choice of partner.

But even they dont infuriate me as much as you do...with your flaming antics and your freak show activism. I would sooner pound one such as you into the dirt than pay you any mind in this debate. You sir, are a liability to my struggles, you are nothing more than the extreme that I have to counter. And even that is when you arent behaving like an outright joke. You and I are the difference between a proud gay man and a sniveling limp-wristed little ******.
 
Naughty Nurse said:
I can't recall ever seeing jallman do any of those things you accuse him of. When? Where? How?
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He thought that the fact that gay sex criminals got equal punishment instead of MORE punishment for child rape was a 'SOUND VICTORY FOR THE GAY RIGHTS MOVEMENT' (though he doens't 'agree' with the way that gay activist's motives) -- I think that MOVEMENT must be a bowl movement. If EQUAL rights is a 'victory' then people who CALL it a 'victory' are happy if they're SHAT on instead of urinated AND shat on.
 

I can tell you that people will listen to someone like jallman then to someone like you that only preaches hate and intolerance.......
 


Seems like YOU have some PERSONAL problems. If your 'struggle' is so weak as to let another's opinions be a 'liability' against, then you have a LOT more problems than I'd ever imagined. Don't think that I represent the 'gay community'. I don't. I represent ME and I represent people who don't HAVE the voice to fight with.

So get up off your PITY POT and DO SOMETHING instead of being a pathetic 'politely agreeer' that you lie about being. I've seen you do EXACTLY what you accuse me of so if you're going to JUDGE someone -- LOOK IN THE MIRROR. You are just angry because I havea the gumption and balls that you don't, and the rational intelligence to state my claim.

Where's your 'polite agreeance' now?? HUH??
 

You appear to be saying that equality is not a good thing, and tha's what is confusing me!!

As a gay man, I really want to see total equlaity. But do you know what? It's not going to happen anytime soon. So every advance we get in terms of equality really is good news.

And do you know something else? Just being a normal gay person and getting on with life openly and showing other people that we're actually just as boring as they are promotes our "cause" much more than anyamount of banner waving and screaming.
 
Sissy boy, you are too stupid to be considered just dumb. Dumb usually means slow learner. In your case, you don't want to learn. That defines stupid.
Mormons and polygamy? We went over this. The ONE old man who recently married his daughter is in prison for life. He was excommunicated from the LDS church. His wife is serving time as well, as she allowed it. How do I know so much? He lived in my son's neighborhood in Peoria, AZ. You say "we have these kinds of cases constantly". You contradict yourself from one sentence to the next. Polygamists are always Mormons? You know that is not true. The LDS have not "recently" changed their doctrine, and the FLDS is not a newly started sect.
You are the worst bigot I have argued with in a long time, and for a gay man, being a bigot is not something we would expect. Your level of stupidity has surpassed what I thought was possible. If any of us made such wrong headed blanket statements about gay men, you would be having a hissy-fit.
Please don't get "cured" from your "disease" and have children. Your brain is all screwed up.
 
sissy-boy said:

YOU, 'moderate'??? HAHA!

You're 2 sentences away from being FASCIST.
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Can't you even read? I said moderates and conservatives.....Oh never mind....:roll:
 
sissy-boy said:

I represent people who don't HAVE the voice to fight with.

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So when were you elected? I can't seem to recall the election ...
 
jallman said:
One thing is true, a debate can never be won against someone who bases his entire argument upon nothing more than emotion and prejudice.
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I definitely agree with that. If you can come up with even one rational and unemotional argument to support the rest of your rant, perhaps we can have a real discussion.
 
Navy Pride said:
I can tell you that people will listen to someone like jallman then to someone like you that only preaches hate and intolerance.......
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Interesting. I've never heard YOU agree with him. And if that is true, then why am I getting private messages thanking me for what I've said here? And every time I turn around someone is resorting to name-calling with jallman

 

Hear Hear:applaud
 
sissy-boy said:

Interesting. I've never heard YOU agree with him. And if that is true, then why am I getting private messages thanking me for what I've said here? And every time I turn around someone is resorting to name-calling with jallman

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Your getting a lot of PMs but they are sure not thanking you....:roll:
 



I think that it IS a good thing - equality is ALWAYS good, but it's what we should EXPECT. I still don't hardly think it's a MONUMENTAL 'victory' to get treated equally. It's hardly even worth mentioning. If we got the right to marry then YES, but to cheer when we aren't being thrown in PRISON is a little much. And I only brought it up because he puts other gay people down because they are 'activists'.

It's like if we were being BURNED to death for being witches or something; and a group of 7 out of 10 were NOT burned, would you call that a 'victory'??

I wouldn't.

I AM just a 'normal' gay person -- whatever THAT means. But I dont' choose to be a conformist. I never have and never will. And I HATE the way the media has this constant portrayal of gay people as the 'party guy who is wild and fun' -- it's a FALSE portrayal and I happen to be sick to death of one million shows like 'will and grace' trying to push the fact that 'we are people too'. It's begging for acceptance, when none is warranted. I could care less if people accept me or not. I'm a HUMAN, not a gay man -- and NOT a blind conformist who tries to be 'normal'. If I wanted to be NORMAL I'd have a female wife, a house full of kids and a picket fence. I'm not a fan of the 'American Dream' because it is false and passionless. It's radical conformity of the worst kind; it's materialism, complacency and endemic consumption.
 

lol It's not "special rights". Marriage has traditionally been a concept between heterosexuals. That's the definition of marriage. When you alter the definition of what a concept is, you thereby alter that very concept.
 
Diogenes said:
I definitely agree with that. If you can come up with even one rational and unemotional argument to support the rest of your rant, perhaps we can have a real discussion.
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Well now that was a flawless "I'm rubber, you're glue" tactic. My sincerest congrats on that. It is again noted how you took my own observation, dismissed it, and then tried to apply it to me. I have shown you facts, made sincere and logical points, all of which have been openly ignored. Meanwhile, I have gleened nothing more from your venomous posts than the fact that your problem is with homosexuals and nothing more....whats worse, is you dont even have a belief system which makes you think the way you do. I can now say without a doubt that your philosophies are weak, your arguments flimsy (at best) and that you certainly wont be a force against me and my ken. If you are the most the opposition has to offer, then I should be more worried about sissy-boy and his antics than you. Thank you for making my day!!! :lol:
 

You know, I am just going to leave you with this...because until you have grown out of being impressed with the shock value of impoliteness, there is no point in bothering. I am very active in my community. I hide myself from no one, because to do so would be a betrayal of myself, my partner, and those who strive to achieve more for us. Activism does not involve the supposition that you must be impolite and attack at random whomever disagrees with you and those whom you disagree with. It DOES involve the free and truthful dissemination of information and sometimes the aggressive shutting down of false generalizations made about me and those I identify with.

Not hiding yourself does not mean that you have hop on a float in a parade and shock the community into revulsion with displays of the seedier underside of our culture. Heterosexuals have an underside that is just as seedy, but you dont see them promoting this as a way of life or the sum of their existence. I feel that homosexuals should make themselves more community minded and less segregated by inflammation and harassment.

And it is true, I get into some heated debates where the words become sharp and the tensions run high. Thats a good debate so long as no one stoops to making intolerant slurs against eachother and trust me, there is no hard feeling when I walk away from this computer. Live your life in the light, but dont darken every life you touch with such profound bigotry and hate and intolerance.

As for those who PM'ed you to thank you...well I would challenge them to show their appreciation out in the open...otherwise, they really are a non-issue. Be well.
 
sissy-boy said:

YOU, 'moderate'??? HAHA!

You're 2 sentences away from being FASCIST.
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Thats like saying your 1 sentence away from being a marxist! Untrue.. Skewed interpretation!
 

jallman, i got to say, i respect you and your thoughts grately! I got one question though.. THis is ganna seam kind of funny but... Where on earth could u possibly meet a gay guy up here? LOL not that im asking for help or anything, i got an amzing gf and am not gay... Just curious
 
sissy-boy said:
I just don't think it's fair that JUST because someone is BORN hetero that they get 'SPECIAL' rights and priveleges based on religious preference.
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There is no special privileges for being normal. Perversions are not tolerated by normal people.
sissy-boy said:
You're 2 sentences away from being FASCIST.
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The only people that fit the definition of words like “fascist” or “bigot” are the perverted homosexuals or defenders of the perversion of homosexuality.
The perverted homosexuals or defenders of the perversion of homosexuality chant their line of crap is right and anyone else that does not accept it is wrong. People that choose the criminal life style act the very same way. The criminal life style is another life style choice that normal people do not accept.

Simple facts prove homosexuality is a perversion.
 


It depends on what you refer to as 'recently'. See, YOU may think of recent as like 2 months ago. I think of recent as like in the past century. And in the time that we've been here that is pretty RECENT. Only 50 years ago the Mormons were marrying any and all women and young girls they felt like. I'm not one to judge, I could care less if they married a HUNDRED women like the 'Lot' character from the bible who had over 900 wives and concubines. SO, with that said, I'm not going to get bent out of shape over the semantics of exaggerating that this christian religious sect has placed bigamy as one of their characteristics in recent history. The fact that they've had to CHANGE their dogma in order to prevent society from viewing them as 'moral' is evidence enough for me that they are a pretty messed up religion.
 
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