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The decision that controls one's "eternal fate" is one that is much larger than career decisions, partner choices, parent's visions, alcohol & drugs or other taboo subjects. It's why atheists are still the most distrusted and invisible minorities in American public life ... even more than gays (like me), Muslims, immigrants or you name the out group.My parents wanted me to do a lot of things that I ended up rejecting later in life. I'm not buying this at all, just speculation and anecdotal nonsense. Provide some evidence.
No. It takes a rare person to completely change a core belief. Especially when it's a belief so fundamental, it holds most people together.You don't think religion is a big enough part of people's lives that they would take the time, in adulthood, to examine their beliefs?
I thought you didn't believe in God?
Most atheists don't believe that no god exists.
They simply don't believe claims made by the religious, because there's no evidence for them.
Rejecting someone else's positive claim is not a belief.
The bible is folklore, why? Because you say so? You make a claim, and don't provide a single strand of supporting evidence for your claim.
I know that human beings wrote the Bible. Not a Christian around will dispute that. So what?
wrong what you described is Agnosticism which believes it has not been proven one way or the other
an Atheist believes there is no god period
He is correct, you are wrong.
So then you have no argument that the bible was written by men. Thats good.
So what do you think the term folklore means?
For the bible to be more than just folklore you would need faith in the bible to believe that it isnt fiction. No faith and the entire book becomes a bit disturbing with all the millions of people that this biblical go killed and tortured. Raping a virgin minor girl and suicide by cop. Treating women as slaves and on and on. All that turns into something else when the reader has faith in the bible though. The followers always make that claim that you must give your heart to god before you can even start to understand the lords message.
I dont expect you to understand that the bible is just a book but then why should I believe that it is anything more than just a book? A book is full of words and nothing more. Its those words that followers try to use as a way to convince others to believe those words. Personally I find the bible extremely primitive as if it were written by uneducated half wits. I cannot figure out why people would believe such a load of crap and fight over it to boot.
No. Just no.
Febrile: Having a fever. A - Febrile: Not having a fever.
Tonal: Having tone. A-Tonal. Not having tone.
Theism: Belief in a god or gods. A-Theism: Not having a belief in a god or gods.
See how that works? Atheists don't believe there are no gods, they just don't have a belief that there are any, which is the default position.
Febrile: Having a fever. A - Febrile: Not having a fever.
Tonal: Having tone. A-Tonal. Not having tone.
Theism: Belief in a god or gods. A-Theism: Not having a belief in a god or gods.
See how that works? Atheists don't believe there are no gods, they just don't have a belief that there are any, which is the default position.
But some religions aren't theist: Confucianism, Daoism. I mean...you agree they're religions, yes? I mean, regardless of what you believe, they're typically considered religions. So are Confucianism and Daoism not religions? Or are religions a set of beliefs about mankind's place in...everything? Cause if they are, atheism is one.
Havng lost the argument you shift ground. Not A-typical.
I'd say it's a religion, if we define a religion as a belief system about mankind's place in the omniverse.
But it's not just the "unbelief" with some of you....it's the insistence that others believe as you do....that's the part where it almost becomes dogmatic and a "religion" itself. It's really no different than a Christian or a Muslim saying "you're wrong"....the only difference is that Atheism doesn't have the reward/punishment afterlife that religions do.
Do YOU see where I am coming from?
You can quote definitions all day long and I can quote you scripture all day long.
I never shifted ground. Do you know how to read? Read my first post in this thread. If you don't know how to read, what are you doing? If there's some middle ground between them, why are being accusatory when you clearly didn't do your homework? Hmm. Weird. Do better next time, you're pathetic:
I'd say it's a religion, if we define a religion as a belief system about mankind's place in the omniverse.
It's not my definition. Believers applied it in a derogatory way to people who did not share their belief. Who else but a-theists are defined by what they are not?
"Often a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other parts of the world, about the motions and orbits of the stars and even their sizes and distances,... and this knowledge he holds with certainty from reason and experience. It is thus offensive and disgraceful for an unbeliever to hear a Christian talk nonsense about such things, claiming that what he is saying is based in Scripture. We should do all that we can to avoid such an embarrassing situation, which people see as ignorance in the Christian and laugh to scorn." -St. Augustine
So you accept Jedi-ism as a religion?
We were correcting your false impression that atheists "Believe there is no god" I schooled you on the fact that they simply lack such a belief, which is not the same thing.
You shifted ground. Predictably.
So you accept Jedi-ism as a religion?
Atheism is not a religion by your definition as it makes no statements or beliefs upon mankind's place in the omniverse
Atheism is a religion like bald is a hair colour.
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