Is Abortion a Moral Right?

[DashingAmerican]

I've been reading and listening to a lot of different things lately that really invoke some thinking. The question "Is abortion a moral right?" really stands out.

But to really get into that, I think the you have to ask the question, is the fetus inside a woman, no matter how far along, a life?

 

[Scrabaholic]

I've been reading and listening to a lot of different things lately that really invoke some thinking. The question "Is abortion a moral right?" really stands out.

But to really get into that, I think the you have to ask the question, is the fetus inside a woman, no matter how far along, a life?

Doesn't matter if it is or isn't. If the woman wants it out of her body, that is her right.

 

[DashingAmerican]

Doesn't matter if it is or isn't. If the woman wants it out of her body, that is her right.

That doesn't answer either question.

 

[vesper]

That doesn't answer either question.

Were you actually expecting an answer on this forum?

Look there are folks around here that would defend abortion into the ninth month of a pregnancy if the mother decided she did not want the baby.

Personally I see it as part of the downfall of society.

The unborn have no rights.

Our society thinks the personal gratification of sex is more important than the human life it may produce.

The fetus that may result in such gratification is seen by many as nothing more than a worthless by-product that needs to be processed in a environmental friendly manner.

That's the world we live in currently.

I personally believe the whole lack of respect for human life in our society on a general note stems from women and men who decided to define life in such a cheap way.

 

[_Sal]

The unborn have no rights.

apparently you think you should have the right to control a woman's body

you would give the rights to the fetus over the woman

not a morally elevated position

 

[_Sal]

But to really get into that, I think the you have to ask the question, is the fetus inside a woman, no matter how far along, a life?

of course it is a life

 

[Bodi]

I've been reading and listening to a lot of different things lately that really invoke some thinking. The question "Is abortion a moral right?" really stands out.

But to really get into that, I think the you have to ask the question, is the fetus inside a woman, no matter how far along, a life?

Or course it is a moral right...

 

[vesper]

apparently you think you should have the right to control a woman's body

you would give the rights to the fetus over the woman

not a morally elevated position

What? I stand for life including those who do not have a voice.

Yes woman currently have the power to decide who gets to live and who must die.

Hope the boom boom sexual gratification was worth making such a choice.

How shallow, how pathetic we have become when speaking about a life.

 

[minnie616]

Were you actually expecting an answer on this forum?

Look there are folks around here that would defend abortion into the ninth month of a pregnancy if the mother decided she did not want the baby.

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I have posted this before ....there are no 8 or 9th month abortions.


In fact in the US only about 100 abortions ( these are for medical reasons not elective ) occur past 24 weeks gestation .

These are the very etrame cases where the woman's life is threatened by the pregnancy and a stat c-section would be more dangerous to the woman than an abortion.





from :A Fox News article from 2013 says there are about 100 abortions per year in all of the US that take after place 24 weeks gestation.

From the article:

June 17, 2003
...
Of the 1.6 million abortions performed in the U.S. each year, 91 percent are performed during the first trimester (12 or fewer weeks' gestation); 9 percent are performed in the second trimester (24 or fewer weeks' gestation); and only about 100 are performed in the third trimester (more than 24 weeks' gestation),

Fast Facts: U.S. Abortion Statistics | Fox News

The stats since then have changed.

By 2012 the numbers of abortion were less than 1.2 million.

In 2014 the CDC reported less than I million.

Fewer than I.3 percent of legal abortions took place between 21 weeks gestation and 24 weeks gestation.

Some for maternal health , more for fetal health since fetal abnormalies usually do not show up until the 18-20 gestational week ultrasound. That only gives the parents with input from the doctor and tests to decide if they want to terminate the pregnancy since viabily usually occurs between 22 and 24 weeks.

About 100 abortions a year occur in the USA after 24 weeks gestation.

 

[Bodi]

What? I stand for life including those who do not have a voice.

Yes woman currently have the power to decide who gets to live and who must die.

Hope the boom boom sexual gratification was worth making such a choice.

How shallow, how pathetic we have become when speaking about a life.

What is so important about life, or even human life for that matter?

I can't stand hearing the mantra... but it is human. Explain why that matters?

 

[minnie616]

I've been reading and listening to a lot of different things lately that really invoke some thinking. The question "Is abortion a moral right?" really stands out.

But to really get into that, I think the you have to ask the question, is the fetus inside a woman, no matter how far along, a life?

Yes, elective abortions within the parameters of Roe vs Wade is a moral right and it is a part of religious liberty here in the US.

From the RCRC ( Religious Coilation for Reproductive Choice)

RCRC is unique in the reproductive health, rights and justice movements, because it draws on the moral power of diverse religious communities.

RCRC has proud roots in the Clergy Consultation Service on Abortion, the underground network of religious leaders created before Roe v. Wade. These brave people of conscience took risks to ensure that women could have the spiritual counseling they needed, and, if they chose, referral to a safe abortion provider.

The Moral Case – Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice

 

[_Sal]

What? I stand for life including those who do not have a voice.

yet you would take the voice/choice away from a woman and give it to a fetus..so no, you do not stand for life

Yes woman currently have the power to decide who gets to live and who must die.

of course they don't, they have power over their own body

a power you would like to usurp because you are misguided

Hope the boom boom sexual gratification was worth making such a choice.

a naive way to view sex and the need for an abortion...if you view sex this way I can see why you have such a limited understanding on the abortion issue

How shallow, how pathetic we have become when speaking about a life.

hm, fetus vs woman carrying fetus...who life matters?

 

[DashingAmerican]

Or course it is a moral right...

And is a fetus a life? Do you believe in God?

 

[DashingAmerican]

Yes, elective abortions within the parameters of Roe vs Wade is a moral right and it is a part of religious liberty here in the US.

From the RCRC ( Religious Coilation for Reproductive Choice)


The Moral Case – Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice

And is a fetus a life? Do you believe in God?

 

[calamity]

I've been reading and listening to a lot of different things lately that really invoke some thinking. The question "Is abortion a moral right?" really stands out.

But to really get into that, I think the you have to ask the question, is the fetus inside a woman, no matter how far along, a life?

It's a life. But, so too is a potato in the ground. If it's ok to dig out the potato then it's fine to vacuum out an early term fetus.

 

[DashingAmerican]

It's a life. But, so too is a potato in the ground. If it's ok to kill the potato then it's fine to abort an early term fetus.

Except that a potato was put into the ground with the intention of being destroyed? Is that what people make a baby for?

 

[calamity]

Except that a potato was put into the ground with the intention of being destroyed? Is that what people make a baby for?

Usually, the aborted fetus was planted by mistake. All the more reason to vacuum it out.

 

[vesper]

yet you would take the voice/choice away from a woman and give it to a fetus..so no, you do not stand for life

of course they don't, they have power over their own body

a power you would like to usurp because you are misguided

a naive way to view sex and the need for an abortion...if you view sex this way I can see why you have such a limited understanding on the abortion issue

hm, fetus vs woman carrying fetus...who life matters?

I am not trying to usurp anything from anyone.

I want there to be an honest discussion on what it entails.

When a woman decides to end the life of a fetus inside her she is passing a death sentence on that life.

Make no mistake as that is exactly what it is.

So you want to talk morality with me? Fine. Let's start there.

 

[DashingAmerican]

Usually, the aborted fetus was planted by mistake. All the more reason to vacuum it out.

Then the two don't relate, considering potatoes are here with the intention of being eaten. Whereas people don't make babies, just to kill them.

 

[_Sal]

I am not trying to usurp anything from anyone.

I want there to be an honest discussion on what it entails.

When a woman decides to end the life of a fetus inside her she is passing a death sentence on that life.

Make no mistake as that is exactly what it is.

So you want to talk morality with me? Fine. Let's start there.

there is no mistake to be made, you do not have the right to force her to carry that fetus to term, in fact the reality of it is, you would never know she is pregnant would you, so there is no way to prevent abortion there is only forcing it to be unsafe thereby endangering the woman's life

there's your morality

 

[calamity]

Then the two don't relate, considering potatoes are here with the intention of being eaten. Whereas people don't make babies, just to kill them.

OK, think of it as pulling out weeds.

 

[DashingAmerican]

What is so important about life, or even human life for that matter?

I can't stand hearing the mantra... but it is human. Explain why that matters?

Is there no value to human life?

 

[DashingAmerican]

OK, think of it as pulling out weeds.

So human life and plant life are interchangeable?

 

[matchlight]

Abortion does not raise any constitutional issue and never has, notwithstanding Harry Blackmun's concocted and lawless decree in Roe v. Wade. I doubt even one member of the current Supreme Court would support the proposition that abortion is a fundamental right, and therefore guaranteed by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Even by 1992, when the Court decided Casey, it was no longer willing to support the Roe Court's claim that abortion is a fundamental right.

That means abortion should be entirely a matter for each state to decide, and the majority of a state's residents should have a right either to allow abortion on demand, ban it outright, or restrict it to any degree between those two extremes. Put another way, whether there is a moral right to abortion in a state depends on how many people in that state believe there is.

 

[DashingAmerican]

Anyway, in the heart of transparency, this is what I've been rolling around in my head that made me start this thread:

The life in the human womb is indeed a life.’ If you agree, then what are you doing obliterating that life?

And for those that are personally against abortion, but not politically:

If it’s not a life then why do you say you’re against abortion?

Those were just the preliminary, what really got this train going was this:

A plane crashes: Thirty people die, and twenty people live. What kind of a God would arbitrarily choose some to live and some to die? But when we play God and determine whether a child within a mother's womb should live, we argue for that as a moral right. So when human beings are given the privilege of playing God, it’s called a moral right. When God plays God, we call it an immoral act. Can you justify this for me?