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No, this is a really stupid poll.
Hmmm...let's see here. I'm liberal, I served in the Air Force.
Caine is liberal, he served in the Army.
But you knew that already.
So right off the bat, you should have known that the answer to your question is a resounding NO.
Who said that?However, as someone else had said....many liberals had opted to choose a branch of the service that would almost guarantee they wouldn't be deployed in combat.
What a great opinion. Have an sources for your claims?While many liberals faced conscription back in the late sixties (as did I)--most of them either headed for Toronto, got a college deferment, or ended up becoming raving Conservatives after having served in a combat role.
I got out of the Air Force a year ago, I joined before we were at war. I’m also a ‘liberal’. I know plenty of "liberal" troops serving right now, and some of them are in Iraq and Afghanistan. And they all want to be there, so do I.
***I noticed that under your avatar you chose to 'lean independent'. Looks like you're still not too sure of your political ideology. You didn't mention whether you saw combat or not. My older liberal brother joined the Air Force back in 1966 to avoid the impending draft--knowing quite well that he had a better than average chance of serving stateside duty, thus avoiding the Vietnam war. He didn't get stateside duty, for he was stationed in Bermuda for the entire 4-year stint. He managed to get a job at Bermuda's port by welcomming in the many American college girls as they walked down the plank from their college week cruise ships. Needless to say, my brother remains a loyal liberal to this very day.
I don’t know why you made this post, did you honestly expect your comment to be confirmed? You know perfectly well that being against the war has nothing to do with a judgment on the military or its members.
***What do you suppose is the reason for training Americans for our military? Was it to secure a cushy office job stateside working on research and development for the newest war videos? So again, the liberal mindset of being against and often protesting against war...any war..is simply oxymoronic in nature.
You would know the stupidity of this post if you had been in the military. Why is it the people who haven’t been in the military are always the loudest about their military support? You have Love Rush in your signature block, and he is one of the loudest of all.
***I'm a combat veteran of the Vietnam war. Nuff said on that.
He is your problem right there, he creates this little world that only he and his listener are part of. This world can only have logical smart people, which he repeats, and so you think you are logical and smart so you must be in this group. Then he says a bunch of crazy **** which initially you don’t believe, but he says all logical and smart people belong to that group. So eventually you get brainwashed because you have Rush on while you do something else and don’t realize he is mind ****ing you. Seriously dude, watch Bill ORielly, he is so much better at it.
***I do listen to O'Reilly and Hannity. Rush says more and dissects each issue more beautifully in a two minute segment than does an entire team of liberal media hacks does in a week. Twenty Two million listeners a week confirms the fact that Rush knows what he's talking about.
“I’m so awfully glad that I’m a Republican, Liberals hate America too much…”
***Well, it is true...liberals do hate America, as they constantly blame Amerca first. Need I list the hateful actions of your more prominent liberals here to make the case? I could start with the liberal hate of the religious right, i.e. their hate of Christianity and their ongoing battle with the help of their ACLU brothers in trying to destroy Christianity. Mind you, that is but one issue among many that has been added to the liberal legacy of hating America. Perhaps this would be a great time for you to go all the way toward independent status. That way you wouldn't have to defend the shoddy legacy of the liberal mindset and the liberal ideology.
***I didn't know that about you two, for my time spent here hadn't been in seeking personal information of DP members. I am surprised to find that liberals had served in the service knowing how they despise war and all. However, as someone else had said....many liberals had opted to choose a branch of the service that would almost guarantee they wouldn't be deployed in combat. While many liberals faced conscription back in the late sixties (as did I)--most of them either headed for Toronto, got a college deferment, or ended up becoming raving Conservatives after having served in a combat role.
Honestly, with the ideology of the anti war left, and the realization of having an all volunteer Army--does anyone personally know of a liberal soldier serving our country?
I think its good that we have a lot of conservative men and women in the army...
It makes for a lesser chance of having idiots voting when the war is over.
One of my former "Marines" is a card carrying Democrat and is a Liberal in love with Hillary Clinton. He believes in Iraq for the reasons I have posted enough times and is right now working in the White House in the Local Control Center (LCC)-which he was interviewed among many from other branches-which organizes intel traffic flow to the President. Ironically, and to my great pleasure, he can't stand President Bush.
However, it is true that we are largely a politically conservative military. One of the few negative developments in American life over the past half century has been the loss of the ideals of service among the most priviledged. One of the few actual legacies of Vietnam has been the abdication by the most fortunate Americans of their responsibility to serve in uniform. The protestors of yesterday that managed to stay away from military life are now our suited leaders (D and R) in Washington in every level. The "nobility" they shared in dissention for the Vietnam War was cast aside for the "nobility" of sending troops off for American revenge. For our Left, our nation's favored young took their opposition to one war as a licens to turn their backs on our military permanently. Now, today, we here the complaints that we are a politicially conservative military, but if Liberlas wish to be represented in the ranks, they only have to join. There is nothing cheaper than complaining about a problem you are unwilling to help fix.
In the course of their politicial campaigns politicians of every persuasion assure Americans that they revere our troops. yet, once in office, both Republicans and Democrats increasingly view our troops as an international janitorial service with guns whose primary purpose is to clean up the messes made by Clintonian irresponsibilty or Right wing arrogance.
This is the disconnect that so many can't understand. How can the active military explain to men who have never served in combat (or served at all) and will never experience its complexities firsthand what war entails? I for one am tired of deploying out to these third world countries armed with the expectation that we won't be provided the tools necessary to do the job effectively and will leave before the job is done. Time after time (before my time) our country has sent troops abroad since the fall of Berlin to jobs with half *** efforts. Time and again we managed to only be able to convince our enemies that if they fight long enough, we will simply surrender everything to them and eventually in Somalia we proved to them that it only takes a small amount of blood to scare us. Somewhere along the line, we have forgotten that it took dozens of bombed out cities in Europe and two atomic bombs to bring peace. Today, we strike deals to give us an illusion of peace in order to maintain a deadly sense of "higher" morality. "But if you don't pay the butcher of front, you will pay with interest in the end."
For the military, it is true that we have done a poor job of explaining to our civilian leaders what war is and what to expect. But what is the result when our civilian leaders don't care to listen? We have gone from the Clintonian idea that we can defeat our enemy without having a presence and without spilling his blood to the Rumsfeld vision that technology-alone with complete ignorance of culture-will win the day.
The truth is that if we lack the fortitude to do whatever it takes to win we may be certain that our enemies do not share our weakness. Despite the dangers of the Cold War, Americans lived through a golden age of safety. That age is now over. It has been over since the fall of the Kremlin. But our civilian leaders, who would never dirty themselves with the filth associated with uniform, have continued this attitude that we can face forward by employing yesterdays tactics and toys (while inventing new ways to waste the tax payer's money). Despite our best efforts, we live in an age of vulernability unprecedented since our frontier days. And the only enduring means to reduce that vulnerability isn't frisking Grandma at the airport.
We can win the War on Terror (for lack of a better term) or anyother war. But only if we are willing to fight without reluctance and reservation. The losers in this war will be those who first despair. Our fanatical enemies cannot defeat us. But we can defeat ourselves through a failure of will.
Find a suit in Washington that understands any of this.
Wait..what was this thread about?
I think its good that we have a lot of conservative men and women in the army...
It makes for a lesser chance of having idiots voting when the war is over.
I think its good that we have a lot of conservative men and women in the army...
It makes for a lesser chance of having idiots voting when the war is over.
I support our troops...I just wish a lot of them would use more common sense when voting.
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