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Is a Liberal Soldier an Oxymoron?

Is a Liberal Soldier an Oxymoron?

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 18.8%
  • No

    Votes: 13 81.3%

  • Total voters
    16

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Honestly, with the ideology of the anti war left, and the realization of having an all volunteer Army--does anyone personally know of a liberal soldier serving our country?
 
No, this is a really stupid poll.
 
No, this is a really stupid poll.

Look at the thread creator. Surprised?

Usually I'd try to respond... but with you, kid, I've learned it ain't worth it.
 
Liberal, liberal hate liberal. Liberal liberal, hate.

I know roughly 15 liberals serving right now. Six of them I talk with frequently and constantly complain about how the war is run. Like me, they believe we are there to do a good thing but the overall leadership is vacant.

Politics has nothing to do with soldiers completing the task assigned to them.
 
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I know liberals in the armed forces but they are in the Air Force and Navy, so take that as you will. Those I know in the Army are conservative and have said that they are doing the right thing. I even had two of them blame the "liberal media" for the bad public opinion of Iraq.
 
Hmmm...let's see here. I'm liberal, I served in the Air Force.

Caine is liberal, he served in the Army.

But you knew that already.

So right off the bat, you should have known that the answer to your question is a resounding NO.
 
Hmmm...let's see here. I'm liberal, I served in the Air Force.

Caine is liberal, he served in the Army.

But you knew that already.

So right off the bat, you should have known that the answer to your question is a resounding NO.


***I didn't know that about you two, for my time spent here hadn't been in seeking personal information of DP members. I am surprised to find that liberals had served in the service knowing how they despise war and all. However, as someone else had said....many liberals had opted to choose a branch of the service that would almost guarantee they wouldn't be deployed in combat. While many liberals faced conscription back in the late sixties (as did I)--most of them either headed for Toronto, got a college deferment, or ended up becoming raving Conservatives after having served in a combat role.
 
I got out of the Air Force a year ago, I joined before we were at war. I’m also a ‘liberal’. I know plenty of "liberal" troops serving right now, and some of them are in Iraq and Afghanistan. And they all want to be there, so do I.

I don’t know why you made this post, did you honestly expect your comment to be confirmed? You know perfectly well that being against the war has nothing to do with a judgment on the military or its members.

You would know the stupidity of this post if you had been in the military. Why is it the people who haven’t been in the military are always the loudest about their military support? You have Love Rush in your signature block, and he is one of the loudest of all.

He is your problem right there, he creates this little world that only he and his listener are part of. This world can only have logical smart people, which he repeats, and so you think you are logical and smart so you must be in this group. Then he says a bunch of crazy **** which initially you don’t believe, but he says all logical and smart people belong to that group. So eventually you get brainwashed because you have Rush on while you do something else and don’t realize he is mind ****ing you. Seriously dude, watch Bill ORielly, he is so much better at it.

I mean how else did you come up with this craziness? It had to have been Rush, no one thinks up that crap on their own. I know people who listen to Rush too, you can tell, they all say the same ****, like they are children of A Brave New World.

“I’m so awfully glad that I’m a Republican, Liberals hate America too much…”
 
However, as someone else had said....many liberals had opted to choose a branch of the service that would almost guarantee they wouldn't be deployed in combat.
Who said that?

While many liberals faced conscription back in the late sixties (as did I)--most of them either headed for Toronto, got a college deferment, or ended up becoming raving Conservatives after having served in a combat role.
What a great opinion. Have an sources for your claims?
 
I have 3 very liberal soldiers in my family the other 2 are in the middle leaning towards conservative and all 5 get along just fine. We've all sat down on my grandfathers back porch and discussed many different issues. On some we agree, others we just dont. To say that a liberal soldier is an oxymoron is pretty damn close to being stupid. It's like saying you can't be a gay conservative.
 
I got out of the Air Force a year ago, I joined before we were at war. I’m also a ‘liberal’. I know plenty of "liberal" troops serving right now, and some of them are in Iraq and Afghanistan. And they all want to be there, so do I.


***I noticed that under your avatar you chose to 'lean independent'. Looks like you're still not too sure of your political ideology. You didn't mention whether you saw combat or not. My older liberal brother joined the Air Force back in 1966 to avoid the impending draft--knowing quite well that he had a better than average chance of serving stateside duty, thus avoiding the Vietnam war. He didn't get stateside duty, for he was stationed in Bermuda for the entire 4-year stint. He managed to get a job at Bermuda's port by welcomming in the many American college girls as they walked down the plank from their college week cruise ships. Needless to say, my brother remains a loyal liberal to this very day.

I don’t know why you made this post, did you honestly expect your comment to be confirmed? You know perfectly well that being against the war has nothing to do with a judgment on the military or its members.

***What do you suppose is the reason for training Americans for our military? Was it to secure a cushy office job stateside working on research and development for the newest war videos? So again, the liberal mindset of being against and often protesting against war...any war..is simply oxymoronic in nature.

You would know the stupidity of this post if you had been in the military. Why is it the people who haven’t been in the military are always the loudest about their military support? You have Love Rush in your signature block, and he is one of the loudest of all.

***I'm a combat veteran of the Vietnam war. Nuff said on that.

He is your problem right there, he creates this little world that only he and his listener are part of. This world can only have logical smart people, which he repeats, and so you think you are logical and smart so you must be in this group. Then he says a bunch of crazy **** which initially you don’t believe, but he says all logical and smart people belong to that group. So eventually you get brainwashed because you have Rush on while you do something else and don’t realize he is mind ****ing you. Seriously dude, watch Bill ORielly, he is so much better at it.

***I do listen to O'Reilly and Hannity. Rush says more and dissects each issue more beautifully in a two minute segment than does an entire team of liberal media hacks does in a week. Twenty Two million listeners a week confirms the fact that Rush knows what he's talking about.


“I’m so awfully glad that I’m a Republican, Liberals hate America too much…”

***Well, it is true...liberals do hate America, as they constantly blame Amerca first. Need I list the hateful actions of your more prominent liberals here to make the case? I could start with the liberal hate of the religious right, i.e. their hate of Christianity and their ongoing battle with the help of their ACLU brothers in trying to destroy Christianity. Mind you, that is but one issue among many that has been added to the liberal legacy of hating America. Perhaps this would be a great time for you to go all the way toward independent status. That way you wouldn't have to defend the shoddy legacy of the liberal mindset and the liberal ideology.
 
***Well, it is true...liberals do hate America, as they constantly blame Amerca first. Need I list the hateful actions of your more prominent liberals here to make the case? I could start with the liberal hate of the religious right, i.e. their hate of Christianity and their ongoing battle with the help of their ACLU brothers in trying to destroy Christianity. Mind you, that is but one issue among many that has been added to the liberal legacy of hating America. Perhaps this would be a great time for you to go all the way toward independent status. That way you wouldn't have to defend the shoddy legacy of the liberal mindset and the liberal ideology.

This right here is just astounding to me. It's so far from the truth all I can do is boggle.

First, to address your OP, any sensible soldier opposes war. They are the ones that have to fight in it, die in it, and come home mutilated. They are the ones that kill and come home scarred and changed people. Politicians and loudmouths that know they won't come under fire are the ones so anxious to send soldiers to their deaths.

Soldiers serve out of patriotism, idealism, for college money, for a multitude of reasons. Many of us signed up because we wanted to give to our country and it was an obvious choice. Being liberal or conservative doesn't really play into it unless you think there's a very limited scope of reasons one might want to serve their country in the armed forces.

Suffice it to say there are probably as many liberal reasons to serve as there are conservative ones.

Now to the meat of what I quoted...

Liberals hate America? That's news. That Liberals show their respect for the country and its institutions in a different way than you'd like, is probably closer to the truth. For example, just as you see Liberals hating America, some Liberals might see you as hating some Americans. I'm hoping they'd be just as wrong.

Many Liberals are Christian and the ACLU has stood up for churches on many occasions. They are the American Civil Liberties Union. American Civil Liberties. They are there to stand for one of America's greatest ideals, to oppose the tyranny of the majority. When religious rights are trampled, the ACLU stands for religion. When religion threatens to trample others' rights, the ACLU stands against it.

They are no more anti-American than the more generalized Liberals of your screed are.
 
***I didn't know that about you two, for my time spent here hadn't been in seeking personal information of DP members. I am surprised to find that liberals had served in the service knowing how they despise war and all. However, as someone else had said....many liberals had opted to choose a branch of the service that would almost guarantee they wouldn't be deployed in combat. While many liberals faced conscription back in the late sixties (as did I)--most of them either headed for Toronto, got a college deferment, or ended up becoming raving Conservatives after having served in a combat role.

It's been posted and discussed many times in many places throughout the forum.

And FYI, my choosing the Air Force had nothing to do with a "guarantee" that I wouldn't be placed in a combat situation. I was nearly sent to Iraq twice. The first time, though, they sent someone else because a) My husband was already deployed, and b) I was still working on my CDC training, so my supervisor opted to keep me so that she could continue to supervise my training, rather than having someone else pick it up with me overseas. The second time, my office quite literally could not have functioned without me, seeing as how the one other person in my office was in incompetent moron, so they again filled my slot with someone else. And yes, considering the jobs I held, I would have been faced with combat.
 
My brother served in the Air Force and he is so liberal it actually sickens me. My sister is serving in the Air force and she is a moderate liberal. Her husband is serving in the Air Force and he is a liberal.

My best friend from high school is a career soldier in the Army and he is a liberal Democrat. His wife is in the National Guard and she is a liberal. His father was a career soldier in the Army and he is a liberal Democrat. (They are from NYC originally, so that explains a lot).

My coworker was a sniper in the Army and he is a moderate liberal. His wife was in the Air Force and she, too, is a liberal.

What was the point of this poll? More comical is the question everyone already knows the answer to: Where will it end up? :lol:
 
Honestly, with the ideology of the anti war left, and the realization of having an all volunteer Army--does anyone personally know of a liberal soldier serving our country?

One of my former "Marines" is a card carrying Democrat and is a Liberal in love with Hillary Clinton. He believes in Iraq for the reasons I have posted enough times and is right now working in the White House in the Local Control Center (LCC)-which he was interviewed among many from other branches-which organizes intel traffic flow to the President. Ironically, and to my great pleasure, he can't stand President Bush.

However, it is true that we are largely a politically conservative military. One of the few negative developments in American life over the past half century has been the loss of the ideals of service among the most priviledged. One of the few actual legacies of Vietnam has been the abdication by the most fortunate Americans of their responsibility to serve in uniform. The protestors of yesterday that managed to stay away from military life are now our suited leaders (D and R) in Washington in every level. The "nobility" they shared in dissention for the Vietnam War was cast aside for the "nobility" of sending troops off for American revenge. For our Left, our nation's favored young took their opposition to one war as a licens to turn their backs on our military permanently. Now, today, we here the complaints that we are a politicially conservative military, but if Liberlas wish to be represented in the ranks, they only have to join. There is nothing cheaper than complaining about a problem you are unwilling to help fix.

In the course of their politicial campaigns politicians of every persuasion assure Americans that they revere our troops. yet, once in office, both Republicans and Democrats increasingly view our troops as an international janitorial service with guns whose primary purpose is to clean up the messes made by Clintonian irresponsibilty or Right wing arrogance.

This is the disconnect that so many can't understand. How can the active military explain to men who have never served in combat (or served at all) and will never experience its complexities firsthand what war entails? I for one am tired of deploying out to these third world countries armed with the expectation that we won't be provided the tools necessary to do the job effectively and will leave before the job is done. Time after time (before my time) our country has sent troops abroad since the fall of Berlin to jobs with half *** efforts. Time and again we managed to only be able to convince our enemies that if they fight long enough, we will simply surrender everything to them and eventually in Somalia we proved to them that it only takes a small amount of blood to scare us. Somewhere along the line, we have forgotten that it took dozens of bombed out cities in Europe and two atomic bombs to bring peace. Today, we strike deals to give us an illusion of peace in order to maintain a deadly sense of "higher" morality. "But if you don't pay the butcher of front, you will pay with interest in the end."

For the military, it is true that we have done a poor job of explaining to our civilian leaders what war is and what to expect. But what is the result when our civilian leaders don't care to listen? We have gone from the Clintonian idea that we can defeat our enemy without having a presence and without spilling his blood to the Rumsfeld vision that technology-alone with complete ignorance of culture-will win the day.

The truth is that if we lack the fortitude to do whatever it takes to win we may be certain that our enemies do not share our weakness. Despite the dangers of the Cold War, Americans lived through a golden age of safety. That age is now over. It has been over since the fall of the Kremlin. But our civilian leaders, who would never dirty themselves with the filth associated with uniform, have continued this attitude that we can face forward by employing yesterdays tactics and toys (while inventing new ways to waste the tax payer's money). Despite our best efforts, we live in an age of vulernability unprecedented since our frontier days. And the only enduring means to reduce that vulnerability isn't frisking Grandma at the airport.

We can win the War on Terror (for lack of a better term) or anyother war. But only if we are willing to fight without reluctance and reservation. The losers in this war will be those who first despair. Our fanatical enemies cannot defeat us. But we can defeat ourselves through a failure of will.

Find a suit in Washington that understands any of this.


Wait..what was this thread about?
 
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I am sure there are plenty of liberals in all branches of the armed services and doing and outstanding job.......

There are a lot of people in DP who have no clue as to what it is like serving in the military.....
 
I think its good that we have a lot of conservative men and women in the army...
It makes for a lesser chance of having idiots voting when the war is over.
 
I think its good that we have a lot of conservative men and women in the army...
It makes for a lesser chance of having idiots voting when the war is over.

Congratulations. In a thread started by PTSDkid, you have somehow managed to sink to new depths of viciousness and depravity.

You should be ashamed of yourself, and grateful to the men and women that have made it safe for you to express such disgusting ideas in public.
 
One of my former "Marines" is a card carrying Democrat and is a Liberal in love with Hillary Clinton. He believes in Iraq for the reasons I have posted enough times and is right now working in the White House in the Local Control Center (LCC)-which he was interviewed among many from other branches-which organizes intel traffic flow to the President. Ironically, and to my great pleasure, he can't stand President Bush.

However, it is true that we are largely a politically conservative military. One of the few negative developments in American life over the past half century has been the loss of the ideals of service among the most priviledged. One of the few actual legacies of Vietnam has been the abdication by the most fortunate Americans of their responsibility to serve in uniform. The protestors of yesterday that managed to stay away from military life are now our suited leaders (D and R) in Washington in every level. The "nobility" they shared in dissention for the Vietnam War was cast aside for the "nobility" of sending troops off for American revenge. For our Left, our nation's favored young took their opposition to one war as a licens to turn their backs on our military permanently. Now, today, we here the complaints that we are a politicially conservative military, but if Liberlas wish to be represented in the ranks, they only have to join. There is nothing cheaper than complaining about a problem you are unwilling to help fix.

In the course of their politicial campaigns politicians of every persuasion assure Americans that they revere our troops. yet, once in office, both Republicans and Democrats increasingly view our troops as an international janitorial service with guns whose primary purpose is to clean up the messes made by Clintonian irresponsibilty or Right wing arrogance.

This is the disconnect that so many can't understand. How can the active military explain to men who have never served in combat (or served at all) and will never experience its complexities firsthand what war entails? I for one am tired of deploying out to these third world countries armed with the expectation that we won't be provided the tools necessary to do the job effectively and will leave before the job is done. Time after time (before my time) our country has sent troops abroad since the fall of Berlin to jobs with half *** efforts. Time and again we managed to only be able to convince our enemies that if they fight long enough, we will simply surrender everything to them and eventually in Somalia we proved to them that it only takes a small amount of blood to scare us. Somewhere along the line, we have forgotten that it took dozens of bombed out cities in Europe and two atomic bombs to bring peace. Today, we strike deals to give us an illusion of peace in order to maintain a deadly sense of "higher" morality. "But if you don't pay the butcher of front, you will pay with interest in the end."

For the military, it is true that we have done a poor job of explaining to our civilian leaders what war is and what to expect. But what is the result when our civilian leaders don't care to listen? We have gone from the Clintonian idea that we can defeat our enemy without having a presence and without spilling his blood to the Rumsfeld vision that technology-alone with complete ignorance of culture-will win the day.

The truth is that if we lack the fortitude to do whatever it takes to win we may be certain that our enemies do not share our weakness. Despite the dangers of the Cold War, Americans lived through a golden age of safety. That age is now over. It has been over since the fall of the Kremlin. But our civilian leaders, who would never dirty themselves with the filth associated with uniform, have continued this attitude that we can face forward by employing yesterdays tactics and toys (while inventing new ways to waste the tax payer's money). Despite our best efforts, we live in an age of vulernability unprecedented since our frontier days. And the only enduring means to reduce that vulnerability isn't frisking Grandma at the airport.

We can win the War on Terror (for lack of a better term) or anyother war. But only if we are willing to fight without reluctance and reservation. The losers in this war will be those who first despair. Our fanatical enemies cannot defeat us. But we can defeat ourselves through a failure of will.

Find a suit in Washington that understands any of this.

Wait..what was this thread about?

LOL -- good post.

It seems to me that the lessons from Vietnam (and Iraq today again) that maybe even folks in the military need to understand is that the US public will generally not stand for a long term, ill-defined military engagement where the enemy, objectives, and exit strategy are not clearly defined and achievable within a reasonable amount of time. Use of force should be in clearly defined missions to do what they were trained to do -- destroy the other side's military capability or physical structures. Bush Sr. understood this. Bush Jr. did not.

I disagree with the implicit contention that the military can solve any foreign relations problem, like the war on terror. Guerrilla/civil war situtations, where there is no defined enemy, is a difficult task for any military force. Asking our military to go in to some foreign country and act like a giant police force in a hostile environment in these circumstances and expect it to be effective is unrealistic.

I know the conservatives here talk about the problem being too "PC" and "taking the gloves off" and all that as an easy solution for the Iraq war. And I agree that sheer cruelty and brutality can be effective in subduing a population. But we Americans are generally not by nature a sheerly brutal and cruel people. And isn't the real probem is that we don't know who the enemy is in a situation like Iraq and Vietnam. Hell, we can't even define them, much less pick them out of a civilian population were any given person can be an insurgent or an insurgent supporter.
 
I think its good that we have a lot of conservative men and women in the army...
It makes for a lesser chance of having idiots voting when the war is over.

I am not quite sure what to even say about this except that...I was wrong. PTSDKid isn't the biggest idiot here at DP....
 
Who in their right mind would make a post abo...oh wait, nevermind ptskid. You can type, and that is really really good. You are really really a super special person, really. We like you...a lot. Yeah, that's it. Good, good. You are smiling through your drool. You are our friend! :2razz:

Idiot. :doh
 
I think its good that we have a lot of conservative men and women in the army...
It makes for a lesser chance of having idiots voting when the war is over.

That is one of the most obnoxious and outrageous posts I have ever seen.......How dare you hope for our troops to die so they can not vote..........

I will probably get penalized for saying this but you my left wing whacko friend are the scum of the earth......
 
I support our troops...I just wish a lot of them would use more common sense when voting.
 
I support our troops...I just wish a lot of them would use more common sense when voting.

How do you support then troops when you wish them death because of their political views?
 
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