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Lois Lerner, the IRS official who first disclosed the agency’s improper targeting of conservative groups two weeks ago, will invoke her right not to testify Wednesday for fear of self-incrimination, her lawyer has told the House Oversight Committee.
you can only plead the fifth to keep from incriminating yourself in a crime. so she is admitting there was a crime
Shulman said he first learned that something was happening in the spring of 2012.
He said that at that time, he learned that IRS workers were using a list to help decide which groups seeking tax-exempt status should get special attention and knew the term "tea party" was on that list. But he said he didn't know what other words were on that list or the scope and severity of the activity.
For more than a year, from 2011 through the 2012 election, members of Congress repeatedly asked Shulman about complaints from tea party groups that they were being harassed by the IRS.
Shulman's responses, usually relayed by a deputy, did not acknowledge that agents had ever targeted tea party groups for special scrutiny. At a congressional hearing March 22, 2012, Shulman was adamant in his denials.
"There's absolutely no targeting. This is the kind of back and forth that happens to people" who apply for tax-exempt status, Shulman said at the House Ways and Means subcommittee hearing.
Shulman said [today] he didn't later tell lawmakers about the targeting because he didn't have full information about the situation.
"I had a partial set of facts," Shulman said.
Finance panel chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., and top Republican Orrin Hatch of Utah both criticized the agency and said they would investigate how and why the improper screening occurred.
"I intend to get to the bottom of what happened," Baucus said.
I jokingly said a few days ago that Holder didn't take the fifth because he and Obama can't afford for him to. Holder just doesn't know. And now we have this.1. cover up
2. criminal activity
3. who else could she finger?
former commissioner shulman testified in senate finance today and perforce caught himself up
Former IRS Chief: Can't Say How Targeting Happened - AP
mr commissioner, if you didn't have full information, if you only had "a partial set of facts," then why, then how, all the "adamant denials?"
this corrupt cabal relies on its stupidity when convenient, resorts to outright lies the rest of the time
steven miller lied to congress last friday, everyone knows it
why?
why not tell the truth?
mr president, do you really expect anyone to believe that your chief of staff, denis mcdounough, was made aware in april and never told you?
if that were the case, what would it say about your operations?
incompetence is a felon's defense
mr obama, exactly when were you first aware that members of the nteu were subjecting tea party and other applicants to far greater scrutiny than any other apps?
why can't you say?
do you really think the question is going to go away?
the more the white house lies, the louder will grow the questions
obama's smarter friends recognize this
5 Ways Obama Can Restore the Public's Trust and Rescue His Presidency - NationalJournal.com
How Obama Can Rescue His Presidency From Scandals - Bloomberg
the coverup is killing em
but you're cool with it
a special prosecutor will be appointed, people like lois lerner and douglas shulman and barack hussein obama make it inevitable
and that barrister, whoever he or she may be, might very well indict a fourth floor, fifth amendment flunkie like lois lerner
will she turn?
worry
Simple enough, she doesn't want to have to name names.
Yeah, that's what the 5th Amendment means. Exactly.
God, it's hilarious to watch the tea partiers expose their hatred of our system.
So the new tea party meme is if the 5th amendment
imputes guilt to everybody who invokes that constitutional right?
BWHAHHAHHAAHAH!
This is why conservatism is going extinct faster than anyone could hope.
you can only plead the fifth to keep from incriminating yourself in a crime. so she is admitting there was a crime
It definitely doesn't "impute" innocence HOJ.
And if poor Lois was just apologizing for a few " front line " employees who were just trying to make the IRS the pinnacle of efficency, then why would she need to plead the fifth ?
Conservativism is going NO WHERE thanks to you guys electing Jon Gotti Jr and his band of Chicago thugs.
I jokingly said a few days ago that Holder didn't take the fifth because he and Obama can't afford for him to. Holder just doesn't know. And now we have this.
That's not how the ****ing 5th amendment works!
By recusing himself Holder may as well have taken the fifth. Now he can say
he can't comment because it is all under investigation. He made a smart political move there.
We'll see. http://www.ajs.org/files/9713/6485/0170/Brennancenterrecusalreport.pdfBy recusing himself Holder may as well have taken the fifth. Now he can say he can't comment because it is all under investigation. He made a smart political move there.
What did the president know and when did he know it?
At last Thursday's press conference, Obama chose his words about the IRS scandal very carefully. "I can assure you that I certainly did not know anything about the IG report before the IG report had been leaked through the press." Even though he was asked about the overall malfeasance, he specifically said he didn't know about the report. That parsing alone raises questions about the level of candor coming from the White House.
I don't think he made a smart political decision at all. I don't know of anyone who thinks that guy has a ounce of credibillity.
It is her right to take the 5th.
An Internal Revenue Service review of the agency’s approach of scrutinizing conservative groups seeking tax-exempt status questioned the now-controversial policy a year ago, according to House Oversight and Government Reform Committee spokesman Ali Ahmad.
In late March 2012, IRS deputy commissioner Steven Miller–who resigned his post as acting commissioner last week at President Obama’s request–directed senior technical advisor Nancy J. Marks to investigate allegations of political targeting of groups seeking tax exempt status, agency officials told congressional aides. Holly Paz, acting director of ruling and agreements, worked with Marks on the probe, and both traveled to Cincinnati to conduct interviews.
On May 3, 2012. Marks gave what IRS officials described as a “presentation” to Miller describing her findings. Marks said the investigation had found significant problems in the review process and a substantial bias against conservative groups, Ahmad said. No written findings were produced as a result, the aide said, and it does not appear the internal review led to any disciplinary actions against IRS employees.
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