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Nor does it change the fact that Team Bush et al are funding and trying to get US taxpayers' money to fund the exact same international terrorists that Saddam was supporting and harboring.SixStringHero said:...that does not change the fact that he did in fact harbor and fund terrorists through-out his years.
teacher said:On this site over and over there are those who quote polls taken from the American public. These polls don't come close to canvasing 1% of the population. I dare say here on this site the education level and news savyness is much greater than the American unwashed masses. And we should be able to get a greater than 1% return. All reasons for going aside. Legalities aside. Simple question. Let's see how the folks on this site answer.
Napoleon's Nightingale said:All reasons for going aside? Legalities aside?What else do we have to consider..how well the soldiers are shining their boots? Those two must be included in the opinion...they're part of the war.
teacher said:What I said. Your own personal take on the reasons. What YOU think is right or wrong. Not what say the pundits or politicians. How you feel this is gonna go down. The end result in your view justifies or not this war.
teacher said:On this site over and over there are those who quote polls taken from the American public. These polls don't come close to canvasing 1% of the population. I dare say here on this site the education level and news savyness is much greater than the American unwashed masses. And we should be able to get a greater than 1% return. All reasons for going aside. Legalities aside. Simple question. Let's see how the folks on this site answer.
cnredd said:I wrote this before, but who the heck knows when...I saved it to notepad for a rainy...or, in this case, 95 and sunny, day...
I think the UN was under the assumption that sanctions
would be imposed, the inspectors would come in and
monitor the destruction of chemical & biological weapons
that he already had, and then the sanctions would be lifted.
But Saddam threw in the monkey wrench...He STOPPED the
inspections and kicked the inspectors out. The UN sanctions
didn't have the intent they thought it would, but the UN would
look incredibly stupid if they lifted them after Saddam
removed the inspectors, so to save face, they left the sanctions on.
Now Saddam knew the UN buckled...the ball was in his court...
He'll get the sympathy vote from the Arab nations that the big,
bad UN had killed the little children. Not that he really cared.
So the UN went for Round 2...Inspection time again!
First, the UN would put on that "determined" look and ratify
Resolution 1441, which says, "Saddam's been screwing up; if he
continues to screw up, we might do something extreme." Saddam must've
hurt his abdomen laughing at that one...The only thing they've done
in ten years was put on sanctions, which he was getting around anyway...
What were they going to do next? Put up a billboard saying, "Saddam's
not a very good person"?
This time, Saddam said he would allow inspectors as long as the head
of the inspection team was not American...Guess what?...The UN said "OK"!
Since when was any of the UN demands negotiable?...The UN, as the world
speaking with one voice, should've said "NO...YOU do things OUR way...
not the other way around." The Buckle Boys are VERY consistent...
Meanwhile, the US said, you know what?...These sanctions aren't hurting
the regime...they're hurting the people...and if the UN is stupid enough
to keep this 3-card monte game up, we're gonna have to do this ourselves.
But Bush knew the American people are fickle. If he told them that he
was going into Iraq to free the people and get the sanctions off of
the people's back, the Americans would've yawned and said, "Keep it
down...I'm watching Sex & the City."
So he used data from the previous administration that was outdated and
incomplete recent data and stirred up the troops with the "threat" angle.
It was a complete roll of the dice, and, as we've learned, came up craps.
It probably would've shocked him if WMDs were actually found, but by this time,
he had what he wanted...An open window to get rid of a bad guy and to plant
the seeds of Democracy. Just like childbirth, he knew it was going to be painful,
both in military and political policies, but he knows that, long term, the world will
be better off for it...Let the critics bitch & moan...
Hell, Abe Lincoln was elected President for a second term with only 39% of
the vote! Nine states had ZERO votes for him! And I don't think Abe get
crapped on for what he did, does he? Bush is following the same form...
Hate him now...hate him all you want...but in about 20, 30, or even
50 years from now, when most, if not all, of the dictatorships in the Middle
East are gone and Democracy rules the roost...look back to April, 2003...
Watch the Saddam statue coming down...then you'll know why this was all started.
insert picture of waving flag with a Sousa march in the background...
cnredd said:I wrote this before, but who the heck knows when...I saved it to notepad for a rainy...or, in this case, 95 and sunny, day...
Good lord you beautiful ugly big lug of a brute, that was downright...poetic.
GySgt like. I'm....stunned. I think I'm pining for the fjords. Wait till I unleash the beast on those that (inevitably) follow.
Napoleon's Nightingale said:You left out the bit about Bush kicking the inspectors out. Perhaps he new they wouldn't find anything and his war mongoring would be deemed unacceptable.
teacher said:Free the women.
teacher said:Don't give me that you snotty faced heap of parrot droppings. Shut your festering gob you tit. Your type really make me sick.You vacuous, malodorous, pervert.
I'll take the five days, with pride.
Gotta go on here.
Sport, why don't you think they found any WMD's?
UN knew they were there.
Clinton knew they were there.
Every body in the entire friggin world knew they were there.
The real question is, where the fuc*k are they now?
They're in Syria you dolts!
After years of Lebanon occupation, Syria just suddenly decides to pull out?
Here's how it went, at the highest levels. (Sorry those of you already indoctrinated to the wrath and logic of me, teacher, of the massive brain).
Big George: So we both know you got the WMD's. Look, here's our way cool satellite images proving such. Now here is what you're gonna do. (Whispers in ear).
Syrians: Yes Sir.
And then the Syrians magically pull out of Lebanon.
What part of this don't you understand you Bush haters?
Again, I call on you to find a flaw in my logic.
But you don't. Or can't.
You all glaze over my points and cry "Oh, yea, what about....."
I call you out time and time again.
Any wonder why I spend my time in the basement mocking you all?
Challenge my points with logic.
Challenge my points with logic!
Lemme guess.
(In the voice of Richard Pryor when he mocks white people)
Well you see....Bush lied. We win. Yea us.
Almost 1400 posts you people. I ask, over and over, find a flaw, but you don't
Let's start from scratch.
A population. Half can't vote, or learn to read, or work, or hold public office, or dress how they want, or drive, or marry who they want, or be given due representation under ANY body of law, or let it be known they know how to read, or have any say so in the society that they friggin LIVE IN.
In any other context they would be called SLAVES.
Is that how you would want half of your god damn society be represented?
But you friggin people so hate Bush you are willing to OVERLOOK that!
I'm sick and fuc*king tired of not having an answer to this simple question.
Are we, as a great and powerful, compassionate, society going to put up with this friggin bullshit?
No. No. Hell fuc*king no.
And we voted as a nation not to.
Fuc*k you people and your "It's not enough of a percentage to mandate such".
Our brave sons and daughters enlist DAILY knowing very well where they are going and what they will be doing to put an end to this nonsense.
They put their lives on the line and say so.
Not you people on this site.
What is this so called debate about?
Our best go willingly into the fray.
I have, like they now do, proudly raise their right hand an say "I do".
Spare me your sanctimonious bullshit. They sign the papers. EVERY FRIGGIN DAY.
Why do you people turn a deaf ear to what GySgt, that brave American hero, tells you so eloquently over and over and friggin over, almost daily, while faced with the prospest of going back, and will go, into the maw, to back those that have held their ink stained fingers high under the threat of death, says?
Shame.
One of you, any one of you, face me on this. 1400 posts folks. Not one of you yet. Go copy and paste. It's all there in vagues CPU.
You giant batch of fuc*king *******s. Free the women.
Free the women.
Is this how you would want your women to live?
Bush won.
Get the fuc*k over it.
Billo, champs, and your ilk, you all suck.
This planet will never friggin change until all women have a say in their society.
Let the United god damn States of friggin America roll over those that would keep women oppressed with our fearsome and righteous might.
I might be gone for a while now, maybe forever, let it not be said that I, teacher, of the massive brain, did not speak his peace, right in the face of all you pusses. Go tattle now chump. We all know. I made sure of it.
Free the women.
Napoleon's Nightingale said:I challenge. If there were vast arsenals of WMDs where are they and why did Bush order our people to stop looking for them? Show me evidence they're in Syria and don't show me sattelite photos of teeny tiny trucks who's contents could be anything from condoms to soda pop. Besides such a vast arsenal would surely show up. They weren't any threat anyway. Nations around the world and our own government said they were nowehere near nuclear capability having the missle technology to strike any US territory for at least a decade. Conclusive evidence. After all if anyone posed an argument to you and said woops not here can't find it sorry um must have been hijacked to to Syria you'd criticize them.
Hmm a better cause? How about the Genocide in progress in the Sudan. The Sudaneese were brutalizing millions and all the president did was say too bad so sad oh look Iraq bombs and soldiers away! 2 million dead and 4 million displaced refugees because Bush turned a blind eye and chose to topple an inert dictator instead. I've said it before and I'll say it again..the Arabs should grow some balls and take matters in to their own hands. Firm governments are not made by foreign nations and quiet citizens. If they can't do as the Iranian students are doing despite the torture and threats then they aren't ready and they don't deserve it. Funny that when push came to shove Bush chose the inert dictator over what would have been a REAL humanitarian effort by halting the Genocide. But guess what? The Sudaneese don't get to taste democracy because they're DEAD, 2 million of them. The Iranians dont get to tast democracy even though they're they once shedding sweat blood and tears over it. No, it's the passive, yellow-bellied, cowardly Iraqis who didn't have the balls to finally stand up once and for all and say no more. I suppose they figured that eventually someone would do it for them. ha. At least the Iranians are fighting for their cause. Yeah people are enlisting but last I heard numbers are way down. Why am I not listening to them? Because when we toppled Saddam we oppened the flood gates to a torrent of terrorists and theres no end in sight. yeah they have a democracy but for how long? They obviously don't want it so badly or they would have earned it for themselves.It's not just Iraqis who are dying at the hands of terrorists to pay for their precious democracy. Americans :1800 Sudannese: 2 million
I'll ask you again. Fingerpaints or 2 million lives?
Navy Pride said:I am in total support of the war.......Even if Saddam didn't have WOMD (and no one knows for sure whether he had them or not) he would have evnetually gotten them and either sold them to a terrorist organization or tried to use them himself.......................
Like President Bush has said it is better to fight terrorism in the streets of Baghdad then in the streets of New York.................
Arch Enemy said:And do you know who Saddam was going to attack, once he re-built his military? That's right his old pal Iran. The enemy of my enemy is my enemy?
cnredd said:One paragraph on the possibility of WMD NOT going to Syria...followed by a subject change.
Wanna talk about the Sudan?...Start your own thread and have at it!
You have to get real here. The UN has no intentions of stopping this and sits idly by while this happening. Likewise Clinton let a million plus Rawandans be slaughtered and did nothing as well. I'm a realist, if Bush went into Darfur without the UN's consent, and unilaterally, liberals would have a field day and it would be no different than Iraq except for the fact that they wouldn't have the diatribe mantra of "Haliurton, Haliburton, Haliburton" to chant to.
SixStringHero said:"Funny that when push came to shove Bush chose the inert dictator over what would have been a REAL humanitarian effort by halting the Genocide. But guess what? The Sudaneese don't get to taste democracy because they're DEAD, 2 million of them. The Iranians dont get to tast democracy even though they're they once shedding sweat blood and tears over it."
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You have to get real here. The UN has no intentions of stopping this and sits idly by while this happening. Likewise Clinton let a million plus Rawandans be slaughtered and did nothing as well. I'm a realist, if Bush went into Darfur without the UN's consent, and unilaterally, liberals would have a field day and it would be no different than Iraq except for the fact that they wouldn't have the diatribe mantra of "Haliurton, Haliburton, Haliburton" to chant to.
As for going into the Sudan I seriously doubt that would have been any less controversial. Both sides in this country are willing to use what ever means to politicize any issue that gains favor with their party. It sickens me, but such is the way of partisan politics.
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