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Iran's supreme leader dismisses Obama overtures

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Iran's supreme leader dismisses Obama overtures

One Supreme Leader to the other Supreme Leader.

"Death to America."

The product of Carter/Obama diplomacy.
...Wow, that was surprising wasn't it.
How does that dialogue taste?
Bitter?

They must be howling their asses off in Tehran.

The price of arrogance or innocence.
It's tough to figure out which it is.
Childish world view or a feeling of Omnipotence.


Believe me, we are feeling Change in Amerika.
Ask our AIG execs, they'll tell you what it's like.
A little like being a homosexual in Iran.

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I agree with ya Zim. I would like to hear from people who voted for Mr. Obama why they did so? I am not bashing, I just want to know if it was for his domestic policies (98% of Americans will recieve a tax cut) or his international beliefs (pulling all combat troops out of Iraq within 16 months). Or was it just his charismatic tone?

The reason I ask the above questions, is because I doubt any of you actually thought Iran would change their ways? That we could actually debate with these people in a civil manner? When I say these people (I am not mudslinging the middle east, a lot of the people I have met from that region are extremely intelligent, loving people.) But these fanatics that wield power in their governments.

The point i'm trying to make is that (zimmer) I do not believe any of our liberal friends actually thought Obama's diplomacy would work on leaders like Ahmadinejad etc. I am trying to see if maybe his economic policies were the draw to him? Or maybe just a better president than the last who knows. I just would hate for us to lay blame too quickly, if at all.
 
If US offers a olive branch and Muslims reject. It is Muslims fault for not taking it and US comes off in the good light.
 
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He did have some legitimate grievances though.
 
The language is clear:

An adviser to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Washington must reverse its support for Israel and end sanctions against Iran.

BBC NEWS | Americas | Iran seeking change in US policy

They have their preconditions, we have ours. Iran will aquire/develop a nuclear weapon. Israel will respond.

Let's see what kind of moxy Obama has on this. He's involved with the real playa's now.
 
zimmer said:
Believe me, we are feeling Change in Amerika.
Ask our AIG execs, they'll tell you what it's like.
A little like being a homosexual in Iran.
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The feeling should be similar. Only difference between the two is how many other people they're capable of ****ing at a time.
 
As before the when Israel felt threatened by Saddam we must ask this question:

Which would produce the least regional/global/socio/political/economic disruption...an attack by Israel or an attack by the USA???
 
bhkad said:
As before the when Israel felt threatened by Saddam we must ask this question:

Which would produce the least regional/global/socio/political/economic disruption...an attack by Israel or an attack by the USA???
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Bullseye.

What will it be?
Should Bush have acted?

That will be the hindsight, connect-the-dots question coming at us in our lifetime.

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Yeah, there is no change in policy or rhetoric since Obama became president, so it was really stupid for Obama to do what he did; it made him look like an idiot.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Yeah, there is no change in policy or rhetoric since Obama became president, so it was really stupid for Obama to do what he did; it made him look like an idiot.
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Nope, he can always point to his rebuffed overture and say, "Hey, I tried."

That may prove to be an important procedural step in the days/weeks/months to come.
 
Khamenei is just pointing out to President Obama that
America can't stop supporting Israel more than it supports
Islamic nations. It's interesting that President Obama
would create a venue for him to do that.
 
lawshume said:
Khamenei is just pointing out to President Obama that
America can't stop supporting Israel more than it supports
Islamic nations. It's interesting that President Obama
would create a venue for him to do that.
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Our nation needs to come to a new recognition and appreciation of Israel.
 
Laila said:
If US offers a olive branch and Muslims reject. It is Muslims fault for not taking it and US comes off in the good light.
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Laila, the Ayetoiletbowl is a terrorist. He was never going to accept. He doesn't want to talk because he knows this will lead to talks about Iran ceasing enrichment.

He wants nukes so he doesn't want to stop enriching. Therefore, he isn't going to talk with Obama.

Al Komenie is a useless ****bag who needs to be removed from power and thrust head first into a prison cell in a non-islamic country.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Yeah, there is no change in policy or rhetoric since Obama became president, so it was really stupid for Obama to do what he did; it made him look like an idiot.
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Actually, it cleared the way for Obama's anti-Iran operations. Obama can say they he tried and the ****bags in Iran wouldn't talk.

This is a sign of guilt on their part anyway.
 

US should stop supporting Israel and being so one sided in it's support otherwise it should entirely withdraw from being the superpower and stay out of ME affairs.
It's ridiculous to assume any US President - Democrat or Republican is going to make any difference to the Muslim world when they are in bed with Israel and Nukes :roll:

And why shouldn't Iran make itself Nukes?
What gives US or any other country the right to stop another from gaining a weapon which is already in the hands of another in the ME.

Remove Israel's nukes and then you may have a case against Iran or otherwise the West can STFU when they have stacks of Nukes.

Like any country will use a Nuke in ME, home of holy places for 3 religions :doh
 
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You can stop with the terrorist rhetoric at any time.

Israel is not going to be disarmed.... Iran will be. Learn to accept this truth.

Israel keeps the terrorist in check. Iran would arm the terrorists. There is a difference and you should learn it.

Parts for a dirty bomb will find their way into terrorist hands. Iran cannot have nuclear toys until they become a secular nation. Period. End of story.
 
 
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Orius said:
He did have some legitimate grievances though.
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What we refused to start executing gays or apostates? Ya I'd say our reservations about dealing with the Mullahs who have been waging a hot war against the U.S. and exporting their unholy revolution throughout the region since 1979, ought to take precedence.
 
Laila said:
US should stop supporting Israel and being so one sided in it's support otherwise it should entirely withdraw from being the superpower and stay out of ME affairs.
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The U.S. is the largest benefactor to the "Palestinians" on the planet, it's not our fault that they have spent the hundreds upon hundreds of billions of dollars that they've gotten over the last 50 years from the entire international community on guns and bombs instead of improving their own living standards. Do you even grasp that given the sheer amount of aid granted to the disputed territories that every single "Palestinian" should be middle class by Mid-East standards?

It's ridiculous to assume any US President - Democrat or Republican is going to make any difference to the Muslim world when they are in bed with Israel and Nukes :roll:
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We are in bed with the only liberal democracy in the entire region, perhaps if the Arabs came out of the 5th century and joined the modern world then we might be a bit more even handed (even though we are in fact the Arab worlds largest benefactor) but as it stands we're going to have to grant more support to the country that doesn't kill gays and apostates thank you very much.

And why shouldn't Iran make itself Nukes?
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Picture Hitler with a nuke.

What gives US or any other country the right to stop another from gaining a weapon which is already in the hands of another in the ME.
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We have the bigger guns sweet heart, real politic 101. Seriously, if they want to live in the 5th century and kill and slaughter their own citizenry and treat their women like chattle and people like slaves then have at it, but the second they become an existential threat to the region, our allies, and us, then that is when the petty annoyance that was the Iranian itch becomes an unacceptable risk. If the Mullahs want to play hardball then fine, but someone ought to remind them that we invented the game, just ask Iraq and Afghanistan.

Remove Israel's nukes and then you may have a case against Iran or otherwise the West can STFU when they have stacks of Nukes.

Like any country will use a Nuke in ME, home of holy places for 3 religions :doh
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The following is why the despotic tyrants of Iran can not and will never be allowed to obtain a nuclear weapon:

“We do not worship Iran, we worship Allah. For patriotism is another name for paganism. I say let this land [Iran] burn. I say let this land go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the world.”

–Ayatollah Ruhollah Musawi Khomeini
 
zimmer said:
The product of Carter/Obama diplomacy.
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How so?

An appeal to moderates by demonstrating he has respect and is willing to talk is a good move. It will put internal pressure on Tehran from it's citizens. Iran has a large moderate population that wants closer ties with the West, defies their own government, and embraces Western culture. In addition, if talks breakdown Obama will have the moral high ground when he goes to the world for support in military action to stop them from attaining nukes. Winning over the moderates is central to the war on terror.
 
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Slevin said:
How so?

An appeal to moderates by demonstrating he has respect and is willing to talk is a good move. It will put internal pressure on Tehran from it's citizens. Iran has a large moderate population that wants closer ties with the West,
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Prove it, because the last time I checked the pre-screened candidate that they selected was Ahmadinejad, there were more moderate choices even from out of the list of candidates selected by the Mullahs.
 
Agent Ferris said:
Prove it, because the last time I checked the pre-screened candidate that they selected was Ahmadinejad, there were more moderate choices even from out of the list of candidates selected by the Mullahs.
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Prove which statement specifically?
 
Slevin said:
Prove which statement specifically?
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Prove that Iran has a large moderate population that wants closer ties to the west who can in anyway counterbalance their radicalized population which wants death for gays, apostates, and adulterers. I mean with "moderates" like Khatami, who needs radicals?

I think the problem here lies in the definition of "moderate" which to me means liberal secularists who want full and equal rights for ever segment of society, and in that regard I would say that Iran has a very very tiny moderate population.
 
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Agent Ferris said:
Prove that Iran has a large moderate population that wants closer ties to the west
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BBC NEWS | Business | Youth shapes Iran's economy

Iran: the next revolution? Iran's population is mostly young, educated, and frustrated with the country's social restrictions. And they're starting to make noise | New York Times Upfront | Find Articles at BNET

Iran's young people are disenchanted with the lack of freedom offered by the current regime | Children of the revolution | The Economist

A Different Face of Iran - washingtonpost.com

Iran's young reformers | open Democracy News Analysis
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who can in anyway counterbalance their radicalized population which wants death for gays, apostates, and adulterers.
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No doubt they have plenty of radicals in Iran. There is however a moderate population that exists throughout the Muslim world and in Iran, and appealing to them is a key tactic in the war on terror.
 
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