I'm a pacifist, bro.
There isn't any agreement. The Iranians disavowed it within hours of it's announcement by claiming that the US was lying about it.
That means nothing. Iran is still insisting on immediate sanctions relief and continued use of centrifuges. Unless the US completely caves and goes back on everything they have said there will be no final agreement.
The appearance of progress is illusory. The hope for progress is naive beyond stupidity.
Ordinary Iranians are hoping this means an end to sanctions. The White House has repeatedly said that sanctions don't come off until the Iranians prove themselves trustworthy and capable of adhering to the agreement, which is never going to happen.
Obama has done nothing good at all. His policies have destablized the region, and now ISIS is tearing all over the fertile crescent and taking heads. Yemen has fallen. Libya is a haven for international terrorists. Israel has been alienated. Iraq is falling into Iranian hands. Iran is still going to get a bomb and has taken control over more territory than ever.
This is a MASSIVE victory to Iran. They are getting an entire huge modern Air Force and Army out of this deal, the government can declare they broke the will of the United States, and can laugh at every USA ally in the region.
Obama has engaged in good diplomacy, not war mongering.
The U.S. got something in return.
Iran knows how to enrich uranium, that is the bottom line. You will not change the fact that they know exactly how to enrich uranium by bombing them.
As such, they way forward is inspections and integrating them into the international community that minimizes the chances that Iran will develop a bomb. We fought a terrible war with both Germany and Japan. Although both are capable, neither country is developing nuclear weapons because they have been integrated into the international community.
No it does mean something. You simply don't want it to mean anything.
They have agreed to a suspension of sanctions that is proportional to the verification of the steps taken such as the redesign of a reactor.
They have agreed to cut the number of centrifuges to under 6000.
It is illusory in your mind, not in the minds of reasonable people around the world.
Prevents them? Nah, at best slows it, and that's only if they decide to all the sudden start being open and honest.And how is it that the framework for a deal that prevents Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons, is bending over and taking it, hmm?
I'm not.
Yeah? What?The U.S. got something in return.
What might that have been? What significant concessions has Iran made to this deal? 'Cause I'm sorry, I'm not seeing it.
Well then, so you are for indisciminent killing, wars of choice, and arming or giving capability to those hostile to us. For what end?
Nope. I think that there are circumstances in which war is necessary.
Hardliners in both Iran and the United States will not be happy. Civilized people will be happy.
Obama has proven yet again that good diplomacy works. Just think about what this man has done now: In less than one year, he has helped to thaw relations with two nations with whom we have had next to zero diplomatic ties for decades. Compare this progress with that of his predecessor!
Prevents them? Nah, at best slows it, and that's only if they decide to all the sudden start being open and honest.
Man, libs are gullible.
Obama can't prevent Iran from acquiring nukes forever. He's president for less than two years remaining. This effort will require diligence. The next administration will need to continue the effort.
Already setting it up for "not obama's fault". lol
Not at all. The framework for a deal that prevents Iran from becoming a nuclear weapons power is very much Obama's fault. It will require diligence on the parts of subsequent administrations however.
Not according to the framework (JCPOA) agreement. Iran can only operate IR-1 centrifuges. These are their original models made from the blueprints of a dated Urenco European model stolen by A.Q Khan and sold to the Iranians. Their more advanced centrifuges will be mothballed and secured by the IAEA.Yeah, centrifuges that are six times more efficient than the old ones.
Iran has about 20,000 centrifuges, they have agreed to cut that number to less than 6000. That is a 70 percent reduction and is rather significant. Iran has agreed to modify the Arak nuclear reactor such that it can produce an limited amount of fuel only. That is significant. They have agreed to reduce their stockpile of nuclear material, that is significant.
Simpleχity;1064492601 said:Not according to the framework (JCPOA) agreement. Iran can only operate IR-1 centrifuges. These are their original models made from the blueprints of a dated Urenco European model stolen by A.Q Khan and sold to the Iranians. Their more advanced centrifuges will be mothballed and secured by the IAEA.
6,104 IR-1 centrifuge units will be barely enough to feed the generating reactor at Natanz and provide a bit extra LEU for research, medicine, industry, etc.
Left wingers already cheering victories for fascist regimes. no 3....2...1... needed.
The Iranians gave up far more in the framework agreement than I ever envisioned. If some things are tweaked a bit and some other things defined a bit better, then this *could be* a very robust deal. But firstly, it must all be precisely spelled out in a universal document and signed by the Iranians. Secondly, no agreement will work unless the IAEA has access to all Iranian documents/data/facilities/materials. This includes all PMDs (Possible Military Dimensions).Is this agreement going to significantly reduce the chance that they'll build a bomb anyway? Or is this just unneeded window dressing that the Iranians wanted to give away anyway?
Ahhhh back to supposedly being in favor of diplomacy makes you a "fascist regime" supporter... This ignorant straw man talking point your known to throw around?
It's not a strawman, nor is it ignorant. it's an oppressive intolerant regime, you are in favor of benefiting them despite thier oppressive theocratic fascism. It's a country that's been hostile, built ied's that killed americans, and has pan-islamic caliphate aspirations.
Just like the arab spring, we are helping bad guys get what they want.
Simpleχity;1064492669 said:The Iranians gave up far more in the framework agreement than I ever envisioned. If some things are tweaked a bit and some other things defined a bit better, then this *could be* a very robust deal. But firstly, it must all be precisely spelled out in a universal document and signed by the Iranians. Secondly, no agreement will work unless the IAEA has access to all Iranian documents/data/facilities/materials. This includes all PMDs (Possible Military Dimensions).
It is currently impossible to put Iran's nuclear genie back in the bottle. There are three viable options.Just like the arab spring, we are helping bad guys get what they want.
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