Iran: Top cleric says women without veils must die

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Iran: Top cleric says women without veils must die


Tehran, 19 Dec. (AKI) - A top Muslim cleric in Iran, Hojatolislam Gholam Reza Hassani said on Wednesday that women in Iran who do not wear the hijab or Muslim headscarf, should die.

"Women who do not respect the hijab and their husbands deserve to die," said Hassani, who leads Friday prayers in the city of Urumieh, in Iranian Azerbaijan.

"I do not understand how these women who do not respect the hijab, 28 years after the birth of the Islamic Republic, are still alive," he said.

"These women and their husbands and their fathers must die," said Hassani, who is the representative of the Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei in eastern Azerbaijan.

AKI - Adnkronos international Iran: Top cleric says women without veils must die

But wait I thought the Hijab was really not mandatory? I thought that even in Iran women weren't forced to wear the Hijab? Ofcourse that's bullshit as proven by the fact that in the last few years there have been several instances of mass arrests of women for not wearing the Hijab. But what's more all of you western apologists were claiming in the thread about the Canadian girl who was murdered by her father for not wearing her Hijab, that this was just because the father was crazy and had nothing to with Islam and that the punishment shouldn't be death. Well jokes on you I would say that this Muslim cleric knows a damn sight more about Islamic jurisprudence than you do.

 

[Gibberish]

But wait I thought the Hijab was really not mandatory?

It's not globally. It's not in Canada. Because one radical Islamic calls for the death of women in no way implies his statements as Islamic law.

What we have here is a radical Islamist calling for not only the death of the woman not wearing the Hijab but her husband and his father. This is obviously a man with the opinion that women are nothing but property and a lesser being then a man.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

It's not globally. It's not in Canada.

Not in Canada because Canada is not an Islamic state that doesn't mean that Muslims don't consider it to be mandatory.

Because one radical Islamic calls for the death of women in no way implies his statements as Islamic law.

Yes we know because an expert on Islamic Jurisprudence doesn't know more about the subject than you do. :roll:

What we have here is a radical Islamist calling for not only the death of the woman not wearing the Hijab but her husband and his father. This is obviously a man with the opinion that women are nothing but property and a lesser being then a man.

No what we have here is an Islamic scholar faithfully interpreting the Koran and the Hadiths.

 

[Thorgasm]

TOT, I thought you wanted to kill all Muslims. You don't care about the women. In fact, Muslim women are the number one producers of terrorists. :doh

 

[bub]

you pick up extremists ones.

in my auditorium (big classroom?) we're 200, there are around 20 or 25 muslim girls (Mainly from Morroco and Turkey, but also Albania), and only 2 of them wear a veil.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

you pick up extremists ones.

in my auditorium (big classroom?) we're 200, there are around 20 or 25 muslim girls (Mainly from Morroco and Turkey, but also Albania), and only 2 of them wear a veil.

Good for them then they are in violation of Islamic law and the punishment under Islamic law for that crime is death.

 

[Gibberish]

Not in Canada because Canada is not an Islamic state that doesn't mean that Muslims don't consider it to be mandatory.

Doesn't mean they do consider it either.

Yes we know because an expert on Islamic Jurisprudence doesn't know more about the subject than you do. :roll:

You don't need be an expert to understand Holy books can be interpreted in many ways.

No what we have here is an Islamic scholar faithfully interpreting the Koran and the Hadiths.

No what we have here is an Islamic scholar making declarations based on his interpretation of a Holy Book.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Doesn't mean they do consider it either.

Obviously they do hence the article I published a couple of weeks ago.

You don't need be an expert to understand Holy books can be interpreted in many ways.

There's a big difference between theology and Islamic Jurisprudence.

No what we have here is an Islamic scholar making declarations based on his interpretation of a Holy Book.

No what we have here is an Islamic Scholar making declarations in regards to Sharia law, this is called Islamic Jurisprudence and it is not the same thing as theology.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Good for them then they are in violation of Islamic law and the punishment under Islamic law for that crime is death.

And if this was globally accepted, the girls in bub's class would be killed. But since it isn't except amongst extremists, you point is irrelevant...as it usually is. You still fail to understand the difference between extremism and mainstream, between what is written and what is practiced, between what is reality and what is prejudicial rhetoric. You seem unable to learn these concepts no matter how often they are pointed out to you.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

There's a big difference between theology and Islamic Jurisprudence.




No what we have here is an Islamic Scholar making declarations in regards to Sharia law, this is called Islamic Jurisprudence and it is not the same thing as theology.

This is true and shows the fallacy of your argument. Not all Muslims live in Muslim countries and, therefore, are not all under Islamic Jurisprudence. As a Jew, I do not have to abide by Israeli law. In fact, I don't have to abide by Talmudic Law, since I am not orthodox. Your position in this matter, that you have been spewing for weeks, now, is illogical and prejudicial. You are spreading hate when you claim that all Muslims must follow the tenets you discuss. You don't see how you are behaving exactly like those you stand against.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

This is true and shows the fallacy of your argument. Not all Muslims live in Muslim countries and, therefore, are not all under Islamic Jurisprudence.

Only because they have not obtained a majority there yet, there are like three Muslim majority nations that don't have Sharia and those three are moving more and more towards Sharia everyday.

As a Jew, I do not have to abide by Israeli law. In fact, I don't have to abide by Talmudic Law, since I am not orthodox. Your position in this matter, that you have been spewing for weeks, now, is illogical and prejudicial. You are spreading hate when you claim that all Muslims must follow the tenets you discuss. You don't see how you are behaving exactly like those you stand against.

If Muslims don't follow the tenants of Islam then they are not Muslims THE central tenant of Islam is Sharia law.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

And if this was globally accepted, the girls in bub's class would be killed. But since it isn't except amongst extremists, you point is irrelevant...as it usually is. You still fail to understand the difference between extremism and mainstream, between what is written and what is practiced, between what is reality and what is prejudicial rhetoric. You seem unable to learn these concepts no matter how often they are pointed out to you.

What you fail to understand and probably never will is that the girl in bub's class is the extremist, the cleric is the conservative, the cleric is the mainstream, the cleric is the status quo.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Only because they have not obtained a majority there yet, there are like three Muslim majority nations that don't have Sharia and those three are moving more and more towards Sharia everyday.

Which, again, furthers the fallacy of your position when you place these tenets towards all Muslims. They don't apply to all.

If Muslims don't follow the tenants of Islam then they are not Muslims THE central tenant of Islam is Sharia law.

We've discussed this before. This is irrelevant, just as an Orthodox Jew would say I am not a Jew. A Muslim who choses not to follow these tenets is certainly a Muslim. It is not YOUR place to dispute this. It is that person's. This is what you don't get.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

What you fail to understand and probably never will is that the girl in bub's class is the extremist, the cleric is the conservative, the cleric is the mainstream, the cleric is the status quo.

What you refuse to understand because of your prejudice is that you are wrong, and if you weren't most Muslims would not have assimilated in this country as well as they have. Or Muslims in non-Islamic countries would be acting out far more than you have shown.

 

[Edify_Always_In_All_Ways]

What you fail to understand and probably never will is that the girl in bub's class is the extremist, the cleric is the conservative, the cleric is the mainstream, the cleric is the status quo.

Mainstream Islam= the type most commonly practiced. In any Muslim country with an organized government, how many stories can you find of Muslim women being killed for going without the Hijab? How many of this cleric's followers began to murder them the second he issued the statement? You might as well call the people of my local church Christian extremists for allowing homosexuals to attend, or the people of my local synagogue Jewish extremists for letting girls have Bat Mitzvahs. Neither of those activities is acceptable via the hardcore versions of the religion, but are generally the more commonly practiced.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

What you refuse to understand because of your prejudice is that you are wrong,

Quite frankly your ignorance on this subject is astounding, Salafist Islam is THE MOST prevalent form of Islam and yes it does call for Sharia, and it does teach that Christians and Jews are apes and pigs, it does teach that it is o.k. to beat women, and it does teach that apostasy is punishable by death.

and if you weren't most Muslims would not have assimilated in this country as well as they have.

Only because the extremists now get deported or sent to Gitmo.

Or Muslims in non-Islamic countries would be acting out far more than you have shown.

"Bomb bomb U.S.A. bomb bomb U.K.!!!" "Freedom go to hell."

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Mainstream Islam= the type most commonly practiced.

And that would be Salafist Islam and yes it does teach that apostasy is punishable by death, it's o.k. to beat women, sharia should be the law of the land, the Hijab is mandatory, Christians and Jews are descended from Apes and Pigs, etc etc et al.

In any Muslim country with an organized government, how many stories can you find of Muslim women being killed for going without the Hijab?

There are thousands of honor killings annually.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Which, again, furthers the fallacy of your position when you place these tenets towards all Muslims. They don't apply to all.

It certainly does apply to ALL of Islam.

We've discussed this before. This is irrelevant, just as an Orthodox Jew would say I am not a Jew. A Muslim who choses not to follow these tenets is certainly a Muslim. It is not YOUR place to dispute this. It is that person's. This is what you don't get.

Yes o.k. I'm a Catholic now I just don't follow any of the tenants of Catholicism but I am a Catholic I swear. :roll:

 

[Gibberish]

Yes o.k. I'm a Catholic now I just don't follow any of the tenants of Catholicism but I am a Catholic I swear. :roll:

A more accurate comparison would be you declaring Baptist's, Protestant's, etc., are not Christian because they do not follow Vatican law.

The only reason you state all Muslim's must follow Sharia law because it fits your agenda. In reality, the only Muslims that must follow Sharia law are those Muslims living under a governing nation that has declared Sharia law as law.

 

[Gibberish]

Obviously they do hence the article I published a couple of weeks ago.

Your article you published showed a angry man beating his daughter to death who happened to be Muslim. It showed nothing of the man killing his daughter because of Islamic law dictated he do so.

No what we have here is an Islamic Scholar making declarations in regards to Sharia law, this is called Islamic Jurisprudence and it is not the same thing as theology.

If it's not theology where does the law's of Islamic Jurisprudence come from if not The Quran and one's interpretation of it's passages?

 

[savoir-faire]

I hosted a muslim high school exchange student from Tunisia. Veils were not only optional , but discouraged in his country. His father is a professor of Islamic studies in Tunis. According to him religious extremists of any type are discouraged in Tunisia.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

I hosted a muslim high school exchange student from Tunisia. Veils were not only optional , but discouraged in his country. His father is a professor of Islamic studies in Tunis. According to him religious extremists of any type are discouraged in Tunisia.

Good for that Tunisia is an authoritarian yet secular dictatorship, the only reason why they are not under an Islamist regime is because the Islamist parties are banned and the citizenry can't vote for them.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

A more accurate comparison would be you declaring Baptist's, Protestant's, etc., are not Christian because they do not follow Vatican law.

The only reason you state all Muslim's must follow Sharia law because it fits your agenda. In reality, the only Muslims that must follow Sharia law are those Muslims living under a governing nation that has declared Sharia law as law.

Vatican law is not a central tenant of the Christian religion, Sharia is certainly a central tenant of Islam.

 

[jujuman13]

TOT, I yearn for the day you finally grow up and cease this insane hatred for people who choose to follow a faith evidently different from whichever one you yourself follow.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Your article you published showed a angry man beating his daughter to death who happened to be Muslim. It showed nothing of the man killing his daughter because of Islamic law dictated he do so.

Yes ofcourse the murder of his daughter had nothing what so ever to do with Islam, the fact that Sharia law dictates that the Hijab is mandatory played no part in this what so ever. :roll:

If it's not theology where does the law's of Islamic Jurisprudence come from if not The Quran and one's interpretation of it's passages?

The difference is that the bible is not mean to be the equivalent of a Constitution the way that the Koran is.