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not to mention a little organization called Hezbollah.
that being said, i would like to emphasize that There Is Nothing To See Here. the Iranian Government Is Made Up Of Civilized, Rational Actors, And Ergo WouldOf CourseNever Countenance Or Encourage This Kind Of Assault By Deniable Elements. Ergo, These People Can Be Trusted Not To Follow Through On Their Threats To Nuke Israel. Move Along, Move Along, Nothing To See Here.
Speaking of strawmen . . . . . . and ad hominems. Signs of desperation?[...] But you feel free to continue defending Iran. You are in good company with Russia, China, and North Korea.
Whipping people into a frenzy to make them hate foreign governments and increase your own legitimacy is far different from starting a nuclear exchange.
I'd even forgotten that Iran possessed nuclear weapons... but then I return to DP, and I am reminded :lamo[...] you people keep forgetting that Iran can nuke people at will. [...]
I'd even forgotten that Iran possessed nuclear weapons... but then I return to DP, and I am reminded :lamo
yes. Because Iran Would Never Share Nuclear Technology With Fellow Psychos.
you people keep forgetting that Iran can nuke people at will. Because Allah will protect them from counterstrike, as the Holy Cities of Najaf and Qom are key to the return of the 12th Imam.
Sometimes I think Iran is trying to force someone, anyone, to throw a missle at them so they can cry to Russia and China that they need to be rescued from the big, bad West. The only country willing to risk WW3 over Iran is possibly Israel, which stands the most to lose when Iran goes nuclear. Pretty much every other country can be counted on to turn Iran into glowing green glass if it lets a nuke loose on Israel... but Israel won't be in a position to care by then.
My opinion is that this was a carefully crafted event, planned by the Iranian government in order to show how much control they have over their country by beating back the protesters... eventually... and saving the day. But it backfired badly, because nobody, including the Brits, was buying the BS that Iran was trying to sell. TPTB in Iran have to realize that the rest of the world doesn't believe every word uttered on state tv, as does their own brain-washed populace. The only way Iran will ever have the global relevance it craves is if it can form an extremist collalition with Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria, and begin a systematic assault on vulnerable, non-allied countries in the region. And I don't see the US, UK, or EU, sitting back to let that happen.
And this is complete ungrounded speculation that flies in the face of reality, considering that Ahmedinejad and Khamenei are interested in closer dealings with the west and not isolating themselves.
And this is complete ungrounded speculation that flies in the face of reality, considering that Ahmedinejad and Khamenei are interested in closer dealings with the west and not isolating themselves.
British Prime Minister David Cameron had earlier promised "very tough action" following the violent scenes when around 200 protesters rampaged for hours through Britain's two diplomatic compounds in Tehran.
They tore down the Union Jack, ripped up pictures of Queen Elizabeth II, trashed embassy offices, set documents alight, and briefly blocked the movements of six diplomats.
Iranian police, who initially appeared to do little to prevent the violence, eventually forced protesters to leave after firing tear gas and clashing with them, Hague said.
"The idea that the Iranian authorities could not have protected our embassy or that this assault could have taken place without some degree of regime consent is fanciful," he said
And the chairman of the Iranian parliamentary national security and foreign policy commission didn't exactly ease concerns.British Foreign Secretary William Hague accused the Iranian government of tacit support for Tuesday's attack by hundreds of demonstrators, though he stopped short of cutting diplomatic ties altogether.
"If any country makes it impossible for us to operate on their soil they cannot expect to have a functioning embassy here," Hague said in a speech to parliament.
To cheers from lawmakers, Hague said he had ordered all Iranian embassy staff to leave Britain within 48 hours and closed the mission in London immediately.
But prominent Iranian MP Aladdin Brujerdi, the chairman of the Iranian parliamentary national security and foreign policy commission, on Wednesday said "Britain is responsible for all the repercussions of its action".
"We recommend other European nations not follow the policies of Britain and the United States," Brujerdi said.
Iran's foreign ministry had earlier expressed "regret" over the incident, and a senior policeman was quoted as saying that some protesters had been arrested.
But parliamentary speaker Ali Larijani defended the protesters, saying they had been angered by the British government and "decades of domineering moves by the British in Iran".
Dianna said:Why indeed it is, since comments prefaced with statements like, "Sometimes I think..." and "My opinion..." by definition means that I am speculating.
Rhapsody1447 said:It's not completely ungrounded to believe that the Iranian government may have played a role.
No **** sherlock, see my own post in this thread. What is completely delusional is saying it was "orchestrated by the Iranian government" and that they are "trying to isolate themselves" or whatever Dianna said as if the entire government is behind an action that flies directly in the face of what their leaders are attempting to accomplish.
Countries are responsible for the safety and security of foreign embassies and emissaries within their borders. This is a sacrosanct principal of diplomacy. The government of Iran is at best negligent and, at worst, culpable in the attack on the British embassy in Tehran. They should have stopped it, arrested those responsible for it, issued an immediate public apology to Great Britain and taken measures to ensure that future incidents against the British or other foreign compounds would not be tolerated. To do anything less is to condone what happened, insult Great Britain and put all other nations on alert that diplomatic relations with Iran is an unstable if not impossible proposition. Iran deserves international condemnation for the whole incident.
I was just emphasizing it, and also emphasizing how delusional your speculation is. :2wave:
There really isn't any indication that this was government sanctioned, and in fact I think that this hurts the overall Iranian government's interests... Though I think it's pretty obvious that this was not organized by anyone in the government, particularly because of the police attempts to break it up.
In any event it is obvious that Ahmedinejad opposes such an action, as does Ayatollah Khamenei.
No **** sherlock, see my own post in this thread. What is completely delusional is saying it was "orchestrated by the Iranian government" and that they are "trying to isolate themselves" or whatever Dianna said as if the entire government is behind an action that flies directly in the face of what their leaders are attempting to accomplish.
Dianna said:I was just emphasizing it, and also emphasizing how delusional your speculation is.
No more delusional than your own speculation:
It is more delusional because my speculation was based on reality, whereas yours was not. For example, you think that "the Iranian government" is a monolithic entity and/or that they would orchestrate such an event even though it blatantly has gone directly against what their goals have been.
The reality of the matter is that the Iranian government and Iranian politics are much too complicated to boil down into a single homogeneous position. There are hardliners in parliament that support this action, just like there are hardliners in congress who support crazy crap. It is not unrealistic to believe that such a hardliner could have been involved, but their view certainly is in the minority.
You don't know what the Iranian government's goals are.
1. "The reality of the matter is that the Iranian government and Iranian politics are much too complicated to boil down into a single homogeneous position."
2. Foreign Minister Salehi has said the following in a discussion with Turkish Foreign Minister Davutoglu: “I hope that both we and Britain will consider this incident as if it did not happen, and that our relations will continue normally from now on.”
3. Based on WikiLeaks cables we know that Ahmedinejad is interested in compromise with the West on a variety of issues (he is in line with Khamenei on this).
4. Based on the positions that both Ahmedinejad and Khamenei have taken in the past decade we know that they are interested in opening up their economy to further privatization and foreign investment.
My speculation is based on these facts, along with a longstanding, thorough understanding of Iranian politics based on my work on this blog. So again, yes, I posted speculation, but mine was based on the facts and yours was not.
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